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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Their propaganda is so... Bad

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's offensively lazy, and that's sort of the point. It's like Sartre said about anti-semites

Never believe that [ZIONISTS] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [ZIONISTS] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

It rings of the old Karl Rove "attack them in their strengths" strategy. When you can saturate media with these kinds of statements, its depressingly effective. Hard to argue when there is this deafening chorus line echoing the sentiment.

British politics employs similar tactics. Doesn't matter if what folks are saying is dumb as dishwater. So long as that's the only thing anyone ever hears, its the only thing they believe.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the best they can come up with?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah. It's cheap information attacks. The attack takes up very little compute time. Refuting it takes a lot more. This is why we have PIGPOOPBALLS. When the refutation isn't worth the time you can drop the old piggerino to shut them up and let everyone else know it's not worth fighting it out.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

True. We have finite time and they have infinite resources, essentially.

They can also keep repeating multiple propaganda failures until they hit one that sticks.

Again, lots of money.

[–] btbt@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel took Palestinian land, attempted to commit genocide against Palestinian people, and then complained when Palestinians resisted this violence with violent acts of their own. Israel is gazalighting.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

I wish we'd just say gas-lighting instead since this just repackages that concept.

But otherwise, yeah, agreed.

Israel is the one doing this, not Palestine.

[–] tree@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 years ago

Which gas is being lit? White phosphorous?

[–] context@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

bob kidnapped a baby and then complained when his entire family was killed by a bomb while they were seeking shelter at a hospital because the fresh water supply had been cut off. bob is gazalighting.

fuck it i'm willing to roll with the premise that bob is kidnapping a literal baby. the response to that isn't collective punishment, besieging a civilian population, and indiscriminately bombing everything that moves and most of the things that don't, including the baby.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Bob kidnapped a baby so we deliberately slaughtered thousands and thousands of literal children. It didn't have anything to do with the baby but the baby was a good excuse. We also dropped a bomb on the baby because dead martyrs are more valuable politically than live hostages we must negotiate for".

[–] context@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah you're right, i shouldn't be accepting the premise that the bombing is in retaliation for the kidnapping. fuck, i got gazalit!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Shit's insidious. :sartrequote:

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

Someone in Bob’s apartment building kidnapped a baby, then Bob wept when his entire family got gunned down by the SWAT team for not moving out. Bob is Gazalighting.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

c/the_dunk_tank

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago
[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

"I think you have the memory of a gold fish"

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

someone murdered Bob's baby and then leveled twelve city blocks after he retaliated

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

"Bob kidnapped a baby and then people were upset when we bombed his hometown for months."

[–] AlicePraxis@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

idf-cool

gazalighting 👎

lighting up gaza 👍

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

This feels like big time fartlow posting.

Waiting to hear about how supporting Palestine is ableist or about how Hamas is stealing neurodivergent people's spoons.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Stop trying to make fetch happen

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

I refuse to condemn Bob.