I'm the only person on my street actually in favor of the proposed multi-use housing/shopping complex a developer wants to build a block over from us. I can't change the minds of all these old people. I'm pretty sure we're just fucked until they all move out or pass on.
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I heard some pushback on a plan for a mixed use development in an abandoned office park. The person had zero to do with the property, lived in a completely different area. But didn't want it because "traffic". Like pushing those potential residents to live further away was somehow more beneficial for traffic than putting them close to it.
We can just start our own municipalities somewhere. Where is the biggest question
With blackjack and hookers!
In fairness to your neighbours, it's probably hard to be on board when all they probably foresee is increased traffic and reduced property values.
Mixed use land developments increase property values. My neighbors believe urban myths and lies, so I'm not particularly inclined to be any more fair to them than I would be to someone who believes that vaccines cause autism.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-02/does-affordable-housing-lower-property-values
I own a house here too, ya know. I don't share their misguided concerns. Yes there will be traffic. I believe we have reasonable options to mitigate that.
But it looks like the rich, old NIMBYs are going to win this fight, and keep people locked out as always.
Oh for sure, they're mostly misguided, but not usually malicious. When housing is such a big investment people tend to behave very conservatively which means it's lots of work to shift the needle...
I’m pretty sure we’re just fucked until they all move out or pass on.
Most young people that support multi-use housing today will stop supporting it by the time they retire. It's not the today's old people that are against everything, it's all old people. The next generation will not be different.
Lol, I'm not young. I'm pushing 50.
Why are you in favor of it? They wanted to build one near me, and I think it would bring more people and more traffic into an otherwise quiet neighborhood. I think it would also take away part of the exclusivity of the neighborhood, and lower property values (or otherwise make them grow more slowly)
So you're okay with the concept elsewhere just not in your backyard?
I’m ok with prisons and dumps and volcanoes existing, but I’d rather not live next to them.
Define NIMBY.
Multi use land developments increase property values, and I would love to have some shops that I can walk to. Fuck suburbs. Fuck excluding people. I want housing density and actually walkable neighborhoods. YIMBY. Thanks.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-02/does-affordable-housing-lower-property-values
Also all the vacant housing. But mentioning that might make some real estate owners nervous.
I’m all for building new homes, but just posting data from Hines is pretty lazy journalism.
The problem is insufficient negative consequences for housing hoarders due to state protection.
Planet Money had a good episode going into three of the reasons (boomers aging in place, zoning laws, and losing people/expertise in home building industries) https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022827659/three-reasons-for-the-housing-shortage#:~:text=Today%20on%20the%20show%2C%20we,know%20how%20to%20build%20houses.
Data: Hines analysis of Census Bureau and Moody's data; Note: Population demand is a theoretical housing demand metric based on long-term household formation and homeownership rates by age cohort; Chart: Axios Visuals
very scientific