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If you get your gallbladder removed and your surgeon says it could cause diarrhea for a while but your discharge papers say take stool softener because of the pain medication? Listen to the surgeon.

It hasn't been a fun couple of days.

Thank you for reading my very short rant. Back to the bathroom!

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[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the PSA. Those discharge papers have generic advice (it is true you usually want stool softeners when you take pain medication) but the surgeon will be more familiar with your specific condition.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Thanks for the advice! I'm getting mine out next year hopefully soon, to deal with my cripplingly intense 10 hour long gallstone pain episodes O_O

Nothing like writhing in the most intense excruciating pain for 10 hours and then finally falling asleep of exhaustion from the experience at 9am and having to sleep and recover all day, completely randomly with no warning, eh?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Ugh, sounds pretty awful. My issue isn't gallstones. I talked about it elsewhere in the thread so I don't want to annoy people by repeating it, but I do understand that sort of pain issue both because I have a nerve disorder and because I had kidney stones last year. I really won the genetic lottery.

Anyway, good luck with your surgery!

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[–] negativenull@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Holy Shit (pun intended)!!!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please, I am not a clergyman.

[–] negativenull@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Maybe you are royalty instead, with your porcelain throne and all that.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had to give up my claim to the throne when I got my gallbladder taken out. I cannot be the king if my body has been corrupted.

[–] negativenull@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's still Saturnalia, so roles are reversed. You can be king for another day or so

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Great. I only get the powers of monarchy when I'm stuck in the bathroom.

[–] henfredemars 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thanks for the tip. I will likely need my gallbladder removed in the coming year.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Overall, it's been a pretty easy recovery. The pain is minimal enough that I'm doing okay with one tramadol a couple of times a day and by tomorrow, I'll probably be off the tramadol. The diarrhea has been the worst part so far. And it's been pretty bad, admittedly, but the lack of serious pain is not something I expected. In my case, the gallbladder removal was a last effort at solving my weird issues before I go to the Mayo Clinic. I'll know if it was a success in 1-2 weeks.

Good luck with your surgery! I hope it goes as smoothly as mine.

My only complaint is that my surgeon used a robot on other people but not a robot on me. Why didn't I get a robot?

[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had mine out a few years ago, and it was a pretty easy recovery. I don't remember any diarrhea at all, nor any advice to take stool softeners. Then again, I only took ibuprofen for the pain. I had some hydrocodone prescribed but I never needed it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The pain has been bad enough that the Tramadol has been worth taking so far, but I don't think I'll need it tomorrow.

[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The surgeon was surprised I only took ibuprofen, but then he pointed out that since I was already living with chronic pain, maybe the added bit from the surgical recovery wasn't enough to really notice.

Either way, I wish you an easy and speedy recovery and hope the gall bladder removal fixes what you need fixed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks! Actually, I'm also a chronic pain sufferer. I have a nerve disorder in my face. I could probably live without the tramadol because of that, but I feel like it's worth it just for basic comfort until tomorrow.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks. Honestly, it sounds worse than it feels. I'm not in pain and I feel fine most of the time. It sucks not eating, obviously, but I generally feel okay. That's part of what has made this issue so mysterious.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sounds like you're full of shit

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[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My partner is finishing recovery for a bilateral reduction, and her surgeon explicitly said to ignore the discharge papers and to only listen to his instructions/medrec papers for the same reason.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That would have been nice to hear from my surgeon. Oh well.

[–] subspaceinterferents@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry for your troubles. Had my GB out about five years ago; my gut has never completely recovered. Got to the point where I couldn't leave the house ’cause of loose stools. (Pro Tip: learn about the Bristol Scale. It makes talking about your situation much easier with your family and doctors.) Today I have my life back: I take 2mg of Loperamide in the a.m. and 4mg before bed. Now smacking the Bristol Scale solidly (pun there) at the middle of the bell curve. Hope you can get yourself back on track!

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[–] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I honestly thought the pain was gallstones passing or just having a sensitive anus because I ate a lot of siracha that day. Felt more like a burn.

Easy on the opiates. My keyhole surgery was in Mexico and felt minimal visceral pain by only taking Diclofenac-Lysine. If you don’t feel pain pls no take opiates.

I mention both things because your butt is getting used to bile being constantly spat out, and the opiates might slow things down there.

Talk to your doctor about this btw, you should be seeing him again soon for a follow up.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I appreciate the advice. I spent a couple of years on various opioids at various dosages due to a shitty neurologist trying and failing to treat a nerve disorder, so I'm pretty aware of what withdrawal is like. It helps that I don't really like any of the effects of opioids apart from pain relief. I'll be okay taking it for only 3-4 days and only for pain.

And yeah, I'm doing a follow-up soon after Christmas. They said 1-2 weeks.

My issues were not gallstone issues. I had low function in my gallbladder based on certain metrics which led to mild dyskinesia. But even the surgeon said he only gives it a 50/50 chance of working.

Basically, I have had no solid food since August. I live on Ensure and Gatorade. This is the second time around for that because I couldn't eat solid food for about six weeks starting in February of this year either. It's not nausea, it's a total aversion to food. My doctor described it as like anorexia except with a physical rather than a psychological cause. I also dry heave most mornings when I get up, but nothing has ever come out.

The good news is I haven't heaved in two days. The bad news is that the aversion to food has not abated even slightly and I've gone two days without heaving before. So we'll see what happens. If this doesn't work in 1-2 weeks, it's off to the Mayo Clinic.

[–] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Awe, best wishes to you mate. It seems to me that you’re on your way to recovery ❤️

I never asked why I do constant forearm movements to pull on my shoulder, I was visiting a back specialist to see what the heck was up with my shoulder and neck, steroids would help but then it would come back even harder. I can also relate to the dry heaving. I used to think it was an anxiety dry cough that would turn into a dry heave after a while. Later learned it was just gallbladder stuff. I think it’s crazy just how interconnected these things are

I had to take a really difficult test a week after surgery. Usually studying would kick my anxiety into full throttle and that’s when the coughing and heaving would start for me. Add a couple of hours past my lunch and it would turn into full nausea battles.

Thankfully the need to cough and heave never came back a few weeks after surgery.

I’m still struggling to get my neck and shoulder to stop twitching and tying itself up but that I’m sure takes more time. Everyday gets a little better.

Edit: Ask your doctor about Marinol, it’ll possibly make you munch your heart out. :) (it’s legal THC, and your condition seems chronic enough to warrant the use)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Good luck to you! I hope every day continues to get better!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Edit: Ask your doctor about Marinol, it’ll possibly make you munch your heart out. :) (it’s legal THC, and your condition seems chronic enough to warrant the use)

Re the edit- I just use the real thing. It's illegal here in Indiana, but it's legal in neighboring Illinois and I'm very close to the state line. It helps with my trigeminal neuralgia (the nerve disorder) but it hasn't done anything about my appetite. The only thing it does in regards to this problem is help settle my stomach after the morning heaving.

If you are a heavy cannabis user, they have to use stronger anesthesia on you, but I seem to be able to tolerate anesthesia without any long-term effects, so that wasn't a concern.

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[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So…listen to them when they say likely diarrhea or take the stool softener? I just got out of surgery….please answer quickly!!!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do not take the stool softener. Not if you value your underwear.

[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Very much so.

[–] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Stool softener is so you can poop after being on opiate pain meds for a while. If you can go without opiates then you don’t need a stool softener.

If you begin to feel constipated, a stool softener will help.

For me it was similar to OP. About a week or two of diarrhea and massive shoulder pain because over the years my posture turned to shit to accommodate the whinebladder.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I believe the shoulder pain is from the gas they pump into you, because they talked to me about it (I don't remember why it specifically becomes shoulder pain) and I got the shoulder pain for a while, but the gas pains overall left me quickly thankfully. The nurse said that for some people, especially women, it can take a week or two like it did with you. The pain was right up there with some of my most severe trigeminal neuralgia flare-ups and the kidney stone I had last year, so I'm really, really glad it didn't last.

I was told walking helped, and I spent about an hour walking around the house (with a cane because I was still a little groggy from the anesthesia) and it did help.

[–] frogfruit@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's because the trapped gas puts pressure on nerves that radiate to the shoulder.

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[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Listen to what your surgeon says, doubly so if they contradicted your discharge papers

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