this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
52 points (82.5% liked)

Doctor Who

2798 readers
1 users here now

A good old fashioned Doctor Who Community

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Some media outlets still use Twitter/X as a source for news and opinion, otherwise I wouldn't go near the site. Seeing some of the replies to a trailer for the upcoming Doctor who xmas special, I wonder why somebody feels the need to actively shit on a show they so clearly dislike:

Like most #DrWho fans, I won’t be watching. #DrWho is dead. The doctor is now black and gay, Sir Isaac Newton is now Indian, and the character of Rose is being played by a man wearing women’s clothing. #RIPDoctorWho #DefundTheBBC #DiversityHire

That quote alone has too many levels of wrong to pick over, but it will never not surprise me how little of the show's humanist messages these people have taken to heart.

Edit: Thanks for the "duh, Twitter" responses. I do think it's low hanging fruit to just blame the platform (which is, inarguably, a dumpster fire). Let's talk about reactionary fans instead, yeah?

top 34 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's twitter. What did you expect? That is just the average twitter user about anything.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The few civilized people on Twitter left. It's just assholes now.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

There is no Twitter left. Seems anyone even remotely left of the reich has long since pulled out of slopping about in that cesspool.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's true, but it's really deteriorated beyond its former lows. I assume the sensible voices that used to even it out got the hell out of Dodge when Musk took over.

[–] StarManta@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

There are some who remain there, but only interact with their own “bubble” of people that they’ve cultivated over the years. So whatever sensible people are there wouldn’t be responding to hashtags and getting involved in this sort of conversation.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Always good advice, as I said I'm only viewing tweets (through nitter) to make heads and tails of news items. The link above is also to a nitter instance so you guys don't have to visit twitter either.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago

The bottom line is that Xitter is not an acceptable source for news, much less for gauging popular sentiment about anything.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I gets it my dude. Imo it's not about how you view the content, it's consuming the content at all. It's not that the site is bad, it's just that it seems nowadays everyone involved with Twitter is just kinda shit. Again - my opinion.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Completely agree. It is mind boggling at this point that serious media still use and cite Twitter as a news source. In a Doctor who context, Radio times are perhaps the worst offenders.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago

Twitter is now primarily made of hate

[–] Volkditty@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

~~I guess Doctor Who~~ twitter is now primarily made up of people who hate ~~the show?~~

[–] nobloat@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

I am not on Twitter. I did find the first episode of the specials way too heavy-handed, but I absolutely loved the other two episodes. I love when Doctor Who has progressive messages but I want them to feel more organic and less like a morality tale. I love the appearance of the new doctor and I hope they will not do the preachiness in the same way in the coming seasons.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 10 points 2 years ago

98% of the sane people left twitter, it's basically 8-chan now

[–] Crowfiend@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Just ignore those people. Giving them attention is exactly what they want.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I never liked the announcement of not participating. If I stop playing a game or watching a show I just do it. I don't announce it. I think they have some idea in their head that they are going to get the creators to see how right they are and fix their issues with whatever it is. Its not gonna happen.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They are clearly just a bigot and twitter is a safe space for them.

People were the same when it was women.

Basically if the doctor isn't a straight, white and cisgender man people lose their minds.

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People were the same when it was women.

Don't forget that Chibnall is just bad, and that letting him showrun the first female Doctor was a horrible idea. Genuine discontent allows for biggots to more easily insert their own agenda and steer the course of discussion.

[–] halm@leminal.space -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I need to say, Chibnall wasn't bad bad. He just looks that way following runs by RTD and Moffat and, honestly, so would most other showrunners in the scifi/fantasy genre.

He did some middling series with a couple of clunker episodes, that's all. We've just been spoilt for quality in Doctor who post-2005!

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These guys aren't bad at diving, it's just that everyone is better.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago

LOL! I'm not even going to watch that video, it looks like it'll end in pain. I did watch the Chibnall seasons however, and I stand by what I say.

Obviously, I know mileages vary on this.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Chibnall had 1 good season imho, the last one he did. It felt more structured, it developed the plot every second of every episode. All killer no filler if you ask me. The other seasons he did were not good. They were confusing. Heres the doctor whos been alive at this point for millions of years, they know almost everything there is to know about anything and can work it out if its something new. They almost always have a plan and they almost always are the smartest person in the room.

But chibnall had Jodie spend her first few seasons running around like a headless chicken. I felt so sorry for her. She is a fantastic actor. She just got a bad deal with chibnall at the helm.

But as i say. The final jodie season was top notch as far as im concerned.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago

Interesting, I felt there were a lot of problems with "Flux", mostly because it was so clear that it was intended as a full season but was scaled back to a shorter run. There are so many loose threads, yet I agree it has some standout single episodes in there.

I think there are narrative points to the Doctor not being depicted as the smartest person in the room in the earlier seasons. For one thing, all of S11 had new villains so she was as much in the dark as the viewers. You can tell she takes much more charge when she faces known opponents like the Daleks, the Master and the Cybermen.

And finally, assuming the Doctor "knows almost everything about anything" makes for really dull storytelling. That's why I liked how every time the 12th Doctor pretended or thought he knew everything, somebody would call him out and deflate his ego. For all Chibnall's faults, I really liked that Whitaker's Doctor was still in awe and enthusing about the unknown, novel species and phenomena she encountered.

All that is definitely not saying seasons 11-12 were perfect or even great, and I appreciate your esteem for "Flux" even more because I don't share it completely.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Basically if the doctor isn’t a straight, white and cisgender man people lose their minds.

Oh, for sure. The funny thing is how they feel the need to bolster their position by claiming that "all" or "most" viewers share their bigotry. And that's not just Twitter, you see the same on r/DoctorWho when people need to convince themselves that {female Doctor bad|Timeless Child ruined Who|Chibnall is the great beast} 🙄

[–] Devi@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I went there once to talk about an episode I liked, just like "I really enjoyed tonights ep for X, Y and Z reasons"

All the replies were explaining to me how I didn't actually like it, or how if I did it was cause I hadn't watched the show before,, or just generally a hater. It was so odd. It's a toxic place.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

This is super common among racists. You'll often hear them say "I'm just saying what everyone is thinking" or "I just have the balls to say it" that's how they justify it to themselves.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn’t that the same as the Star Wars groups? Most of them only like two or three of the movies and bitch about the rest.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago

No, that is because the original trilogy is great, the prequels aren't bad, but somewhat disappointing if you grew up with the original trilogy, and the sequels (except for Rogue One, which is great) are chaotic poorly written and awfully directed trash (most of the shows are pretty good, though).

This is your run of the mill bigoted far right xitter xit. Hate is all you'll find there, for Doctor Who or for anything else that isn't far right shit.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I have seen the same thing in a lot of fandoms unfortunately, so nothing new really.

[–] freewheel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

"duh,X" but hear me out. The signal to noise ratio on Twitter has always hovered around 50%. Ever since the upheaval, anyone with any sense has already left the platform. It's fully expected that on any topic, the toxic responses will be louder than reason.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

That is not a real fan, or a real opinion, or even a real person. Pure trolling. Don't give them the oxygen.

[–] RoseRose56@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm still watching doctor who, and I have to say that I love it, its the only show that keeps the story original without rebooting with 100 series. edit: judge on your own, dont only read others stuff on twitter and go with it. Bots can be used easy now days to change opinion on something.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

threads doctor who tag is delightfully wonderful :)

i grew tired of twitter doctor who when thirteen was announced and the misogynists came out. ;__;

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 2 years ago

I'm still not convinced a bunch of the "Chibnall bad" discourse wouldn't have been less harsh with a male actor as the Doctor 😕