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Is this man actually trying to get into heaven or something?
I hate the religion, I hate that there's even a pope. But this guy, He's the fucking best.
Honestly as Christianity goes the Catholics are fucking moderates these days. Which really is saying something.
Also the Pope has like, the world's best hat.
We're a non-religious, casually Christian affiliated family and we're seriously thinking of sending our daughter to a Catholic school just for the far higher quality of education. (No concerning priests or nuns btw, these are government run schools)
I never would have even considered it as an option 10 years ago. But they really do seem to have their shit together, terrible acts in the past notwithstanding
I grew up catholic, and personally don't know many who could be described as a moderate. 90% of the catholics I know dislike the current pope intensely for his liberal views, so be wary
I don't pretend to know where you are time vs money. And it could be that private school is your best option. I'm also assuming that you're in the US but that may not be the case. And what you can throw away everything I'm saying here because I know public and private schools in Europe and many other places are entirely different.
I did private for a few years. The only substantial difference for me was that the private teachers would make sure you do your homework and punish you if you don't.
YMMV, but I will have to say that probably 40% of those kids in my private school were Grade-A assholes. Zero compassion, every little thing was a do or die competition. The teacher would do the best she could to control social situations but, there's only so much she can do. She's not going to fight the other parents for you by kicking little Jimmy out for being a jerk. They bring the two sets of parents together and that's about the point where you find out why Little Jimmy is the way he is.
The state schools are being pressured pretty hard for testing scores, so it's not so much that they don't want to teach your kids or can't teach your kids, but they're underfunded and overworked and are going to pick the ones that are easiest to teach to raise that number.
But you can probably get the same outcome from using public school and pulling in a tutor after say middle school. Your school might even provide tutelage, but you're probably going to have to realize that it needs to happen and ask them for it.
If you have some time, even just getting marginally involved in your kids education you can pull off approximately what the private schools do. Order the common core teacher manuals that your schools use, once a week go over the same things they did in school. Tell your public teachers you want to get on the same page as them they'd probably be delighted no matter how useless the seem.
Again if you've got excess cash, The private schools will absolutely get the job done. Just do some due diligence, find some families locally that take their kids there start asking them particular questions that would suit your kids well.
Anything before around 10th grade, just make sure that they're keeping up grades and knowledge in algebra, calculus, trig, science and english.
All those high school grades and scores are honestly trash as long as they get into the college they want.
So here in Canada (at least on the Prairies) we're lucky enough to have Catholic school as a publicly funded option. There would be no additional cost to me.
The thing is my kid is doing great for now (grade 4) and I've taught her a ton of science, engineering and math from my own knowledge. She's bright and engaged... At home. But the standard school system is trying their best to change that.
In her class at school they are still counting blocks and doing 2-digit addition. And they need to do that, because there are kids in her class who can't count. And can't read! In grade 4!
The teachers say she's top of the class easily, but how do they quantify that, just that she seems smart? There is no scoring, no grades, no discipline. It's nothing like school when I was young. There's this little shit in her class that likes to scream so they gave everyone else earmuffs to use when he does. He's not disabled or anything mind you - just a spoiled disruptive little shit.
It's a trash environment that's hard on smart kids. I taught her how to box and also how nice girls only ever hurt someone by accident. So far she's knocked out a kid who likes to push little girls down the stairs and took another bully's teeth out. She told me "but they were gonna fall out anyways. It was an accident!" Good job, kid.
More parents have been pulling their smart kids for the Catholic school and she lost 2 of her best friends there this year. Most of the other kids left aren't really decent company... They are dumb as a load of rocks honestly. The selection pressure to the Catholic system and to private schools has taken its toll.
So I went to visit the Catholic school to see what it was like and it was night and day. The kids were all lean, healthy looking and bright eyed. No fat kids. No scrubs. No screaming brats. No tablets or phones, at recess everyone was playing sports and games and laughing and smiling. Looks like the kind of company I want my daughter to grow up with, honestly.
The principal was horrified to hear my stories from public school and promised that they teach kids individually with extra projects and enrichment for kids who are ahead. Which is great because often my daughter tells me she wants to just stay on the farm with me "Because there's no point in going to school, I'll learn more working with you"
They have sports, they have clubs, everything from knitting and choir to lockpicking and hacking. They have a full band program and an entire supply of loaner instruments! A huge and well kept library full of mostly secular books. All the stuff that a school should have, but mostly it's what it doesn't have that I'm interested in. Otherwise she's going to fall off the rails and spend her highschool days like I did - bored to death and getting into drugs, drinking and causing trouble.
My wife teaches at a local college and is very concerned that the quality of incoming students seems to drop every year and yet their attitudes get more and more entitled. The Catholic district has won industry awards for their mentorship and job placement programs, the public district... Well... They don't even have them.
Yeah I'm out of my depth with your experience, sounds like you're making a good decision.
Hey internet stranger. Here is another internet strangers 2 cents on Catholic High Schools based on my personal experience.
TL:DR Education is good, but the school might make it so they can't take the classes they want or need for Religion Class (unless they mess up). And at my school there were cliques that socially isolated me and many others, with unchecked bullying which felt encouraged by the staff. I am happy I completed it, but I'd wouldn't want my kids to go through the same thing.
This happened over a decade ago, but the school I went to was both good, and very, very bad. The pro was why you are considering it. The education quality is much higher than the local public school. I was prepared for University much better than those I meet at the University I went to, who went to public High School.
The con was two fold. First some education options were denied to other students due to "optional" religion studies class. Technically a school can't force a high schooler to take religion where I went. But the check box for that course was always checked before I got the class sheet. Which meant that I couldn't choose what optional courses I wanted if it overlap with that religion course.
On a side note they messed up 3 ways in my last year. They couldn't get me in a gym class for gr 12, so I had to goto a gr 10 class, then I took a CAD course which I wanted and a coding, but by the time they realized I wasnt taking religion, it was too late. I was given a speal on how I couldn't get a religion high school diploma, but just the normal one. It was fun especially since.
The second big con. The school was extremely cliquey. Like debilitating so. I was from another community, my bus ride was an hour away. So in Gr 9 I tried to make friends... But the cliques were already made. And I as well as many others were socially isolated. I didn't find the misfits hiding away at lunch in the media classroom until like gr. 10/11. There was another crowd in the art room. This attitude sadly felt encouraged by some the staff, and bullying was out of control, it often resorted to physical violence more than once. I stayed off of the radar but I hated those 4 years. If it wasn't for my activities outside of school I would've been in a really bad state.
With that said, there was another (3 in total) Catholic high school in my local area, which my extended family went to. Apparently the one they went to was so much better.
Retrospectively, I understood how much of a benefit it was to go there. I am happy I was able to stick it out. But I would do a lot of research before putting my kids into a Catholic high school since I don't want them to have a repeat of my time.
Thanks for sharing your experience, stranger. This is one of the reasons I like Lemmy though I do still hang out on Reddit, more serious discussion, less memes and trolling. Well... unless you count the front page, I guess.
I can see the cliques issue being a big one especially if you were an outsider from a different community, and came in at the middle school level. That sounds brutal, honestly.
My daughter is lucky to be young and already have friends in the school, girls she grew up and went to daycare and earlier grades with. They still hang out on weekends and chat with their kid messenger app all the time, so that's a foot in the door for sure. In the school she goes to now, there is already bullying and violence so I figure it can't really be worse. On the upside I guess it's already made her tough, we put her in Taekwondo after school and she took to it like a fish to water, she's a little scrapper and her kicks are really mean for a 9yo girl. She already wants to integrate her boxing skills into an MMA style and they're like no, you can't spar like that with the other kids as they aren't expecting a right hook!
The religion class issue sounds odd. It implies that those courses like CAD and coding are only available to those who give up the religious component? But those are premium courses that you would think they want their Catholic students to be able to take. Or am I misunderstanding the way it works?
I grew up with some guys and had some other friends who went to Catholic schools and it seems their opinions were similar to yours. Either they loved it and made friends for life, or they hated it and felt excluded from groups. Nothing in between. However even those who hated it said the same thing looking back, they were glad that they went there for the future opportunities it gave them.
The public school won't allow an end of semester transfer out (probably because they lose the funding) so there's plenty of time to confirm this is what I want for her before next school year, and I'm doing a lot of research and talking to a lot of people.
It's like he doesn't even know what being a Christian is about!
Hate and judgemental behavior.
Pope Francis says to avoid Rigid Ideologies?
So, pope Francis says to avoid Catholicism.
In the name of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. Amen.
A part of me thinks he knows what he's doing.
How do you be gay and catholic?
Same reason how you can be a woman and a catholic: Indoctrination
It’s not gay if it’s a young boy duh! /s
This is actually a huge issue though on accepting the LGBTQ+ community at large and getting them in at least here in the United States. A lot of other religions have started to and I have gay and trans friends that go to these churches because they accept them for who they are and don’t try to shame them or try to change them
Church always has at least one extremely obviously gay dude serving. My interpretation of that stereotype is that usually that gay dude has the fear of god and his daddies belt instilled into them. Not a cute look. This usually prevents dates from being in public and reduces the whole situation into hidden meetings and idk, I wish them the best and to eventually see out of the church.
Short answer is: You just be gay and also Catholic.
In most Catholic churches, no one is going to care that I bang dudes any more than they care that I show up on Christmas and Easter.
They care significantly more if you say "Thanks!" when receiving communion than they do that you're gay.
Catholics aren't Evangelicals and they care about radically different things.
“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward"
Never expected pope to diss christianity.
(Former christian) this whole Pope business has been sooo interesting. And I mean it in a non-ironic way.
Can he avoid fucking with the US Supreme Court and stopping his legions of priests from fucking small children?
How exactly is the Vatican fucking with the Supreme Court? (I'm not defending anything, I'm just genuinely curious)
The youngest and least qualified member of the supreme Court who was forced through in the waning days of Trump's administration, Amy Coney Barrett, was raised as and is still a member of the People of Praise, a para-church organization which consists mostly of Catholic members. People of Praise is a highly conservative organization that touts strong gender roles and is overall highly secretive.
At one point it is believed that Coney Barrett was the highest rank a woman could have in the organization, with the title of "Handmaid".
During Amy Coney Barret's confirmation hearings, the people of Praise purged all records of their magazine and member profiles from their website.
The People of Praise organization has been accused of covering up for child abusers on multiple occasions.
Source: Washington Post and the People of Praise Wikipedia article
We have the most members on it right now who are Catholic in its history. Which caused an abortion ban and systemic stripping away of the rights of atheists.
It's official, the Pope identifies as ideofluid
What is even the point of religion now? They profess to be a moral compass, but when they catch-up with the times, half of their followers cry "traitor!".
Well, the main "point" of religion was never to be anyone's "moral compass".
Recently heard a catholic who once tried to tell me that everything the pope does is ordained by God, and therefore "good", go on a tangent about how the pope is now corrupted by Satan and "needs to be taken care of" with the clear intention that someone should murder the pope over his "not as negative as it used to be" view of lgbtq.
Weird how their priorities used to be "God church family country" back then and all it took was a little taste of fascism to turn them To "my chosen human replacement for Jesus, the group of people who look and vote the way I do, THEN maybe church, family mixed in there too if they look and vote the same way I do"
Sort of like Christianity?
Too bad choir boys can't dodge rigid idealogues.
Nothing is real anymore
Except our outrage
Not sure. Outrage has been commodified with clicks and merchandising. We should have been out in the streets, burning buildings 30 years ago.
lol. His entire life is dogma; his position, home, city, and organization are a rigid and non critical exercise.
It's good for the soul to avoid rigid ideologies... Perhaps all ideologies.
That is a highly ideological thing to say.
This isn't an actual step forward, just a ploy to keep religion going for as long as possible.
It's obviously all a lie, they just keep softening their policies to stay relevant in modern times. Imagine if they stuck to their old believes from a few hundred years ago or actually followed the bible, they'd become irrelevant in just one generation.
So instead they adapt to keep their power.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy.
Francis used his annual Christmas greeting to the Holy See hierarchy to encourage the cardinals, bishops and laypeople who run the Vatican to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church.
“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward,"the pope said.
"We are called instead to set out and journey, like the Magi, following the light that always desires to lead us on, at times along unexplored paths and new roads.”
Progressives and advocates for greater LGBTQ+ inclusion in the church hailed Francis' declaration as a long-overdue gesture of welcome and acceptance.
Citing the teachings of the modernizing Second Vatican Council, he urged the assembled prelates to listen to one another, discern decisions and then journey forward, without being tied to preconceived prejudices.
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