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https://teddit.zaggy.nl/r/Psychonaut/comments/18mth6c/peyote_is_the_darling_of_the_psychedelics/
Honestly this whole thread is a cesspool, pure psychic damage. There are literally functional alternatives, but still these self-enlightened egolords can't keep their fucking hands off an endangered plant. The prevailing attitude looks to be "Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it"
Although Anderson sympathized with the landowners, who wished to make their land productive and protect themselves from litigation by anyone who was injured on their ranch while collecting peyote, the closure of peyote harvesting grounds produced “serious tensions” between indigenous people and the ranchers. According to Salvador Johnson, the largest peyote distributor in Texas, 100 percent of the land in Texas where peyote grows is privately owned, which means that if peyoteros are going to harvest peyote, they need permission from landowners.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmdzbw/the-decline-of-american-peyote-v24n5
Typical white pig doesn't understand why he can't eat all of a sacred endangered plant that takes 30 years to grow.
OINK OINK MUST CONSUME.
also if you use magic mushrooms you have a moral duty to know what happened to María Sabina
aww what the hell, fuckin kkkrackers
TIL about the MKUltra connection to what happened to her
thats the part that gets me!! how is the cia at the crime of EVERY bad thing in Latin America.
If something happened in South America in the last 80 or so years, "CIA did it" is an appropriate response 99% of the time.
I don't think it's a matter of gate keeping the drug do much as it is of keeping the plant from going extinct due to over harvesting. Grow your own peyote (most won't bc they lack the necessary skills and patience, even if they have an appropriate climate) or just use other psychedelics.
Watched some Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t about “growing cactus from seed” and it’s about indigenous people growing peyote (and other cacti).
They’re already overharvested and dying out in the wild. Fuck off white psychonauts.
Love this channel
As someone who loved drugs back in the day, I always told people that they should grow their own San Pedro's or another common mescaline cactus and not peyote. I know a guy whose entire house is filled with different species of peyote, literally every inch of his floor covered in pots. He had trichoceruses he kept for tripping. If it didn't keep him busy and happy with himself, I'd say it was a hoard. But he was growing for repopulation and regularly planted around town, so it's healthy-ish for him. Got himself off heroin by growing peyote for repopulation, not by taking it. He was the only white guy I've ever met that taking peyote would be perfectly ethical, but still didn't do it
It's not hard to be respectful. Especially when San Pedros are legal and extremely easy to get.
tacit attempts at virtue-blackmailing
this redditor has no concept of shame left
TBF, I've abandoned shame in myself as well, I see it as a form of social control I don't need or want in myself. The main problem is that they didn't decide not to feel shame, they just became immune due to an over-abundance. That was their only moral check, was not looking bad to others. Once they lost it they have nothing holding back their appetites.
I read the original article and the only thing I have against it is the anti-synthetic peyote stance they have. I get it's a sacred plant but if the option is people foraging it to extinction or letting them have a lab grown version then just let them make it in the lab. As much as I support indigenous folks in their anti-crakkker stance they don't have the right to the molecule itself especially if it isn't derived from peyote.
I assume that's the point of the first comment. Not "Let me forage this plant to extinction" but "If you say I can't have a synthetic version and I can't forage then what do you want me to do?" Just let them have the lab-grown stuff and keep the plants yourself. Less foraging, psych folks get their trips, everyone's happy.
Yeah i re-read the article a few times and came to a similar conclusion. At the same time - if they have an issue with white colonizers using synthetic ~~Peyote~~ mescaline, is that not also worth consideration and empathy? It subverts the supply issue, but it feels to me (as a white colonizer) like approptiation of someone's culture, against the protest of the people who's culture is being appropriated.
Should we really be forcing onto any indigenous peoples our views of whats "fair"? There exist many alternatives to mescaline, and I think their desire to not have it commodified and shared should be respected.
we absolutely should be respecting indigenous people. if they say we shouldnt use it then we shouldn't use it its that fucking simple. its not some random people either the church is the one saying it. if you cant do that you are a settler and an asshole. youre not entitled to treats! its not a necessity, recreational drugs have the be the most treat like treats.
Who says it's open land, mother fucker, who?
Ok, if you want to have the cultural experience, then fucking do so like many Western defectors to First Nations did.
Go through all the rituals that a person of that actual culture would, learn the language, immerse yourself for decades, and then, maybe, you can have the treat plant.
Want this guy to get so high his one brain cell pops, bizarre way to talk about things
I don't think people should be fucking with these psychedelic alkaloids for recreational purposes, many of them result in dangerously high blood pressures.
Treat piggy wants the peyote!
Sweet, now I have a leftist justification for my aversion to psychedelics! (I don't want my brain chemistry fucked with anymore than it already is)
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