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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 137 points 2 years ago

Ok, go to court and do it, or shut the fuck up.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 136 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That, by itself, should be cause to remove the Texas Lt. Gov from office. He's literally committing sedition and violating his oath of office.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m sure Texas will get right on that, just as soon as they’ve removed accused felon Ken Paxton from office.

[–] Rhinopotamus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I recognize this is not the point of the post, but an accused felon doesn’t really make sense, since a felon is someone who is formally tried and convicted of a felonious crime.

[–] MisterFeeny@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're just arguing semantics here, but just for clarification in case you, or anyone else, is unsure why the other person might have said "accused felon", it is because Paxton was indicted for felony securities fraud back in 2015. He has used his political office to delay the trial since then, and has yet to be tried. 8 years and counting since the indictment without a trial. Hence, "accused felon".

Probably worth noting: His wife is a lawmaker, and he was impeached. But impeachment is only the first step in removing someone from office, just like indictment is the first step in a criminal trial. He was impeached by the House of Representatives, but it failed to pass in the senate because they voted along party lines. His wife refused to recuse herself from the vote.

[–] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If violating the oath of office was a real way to have people fired, the vast majority of politicians and judges would be in prison right now.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 years ago

Don't tempt me with a good time

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 99 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're like five year olds...

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most five year olds are far better behaved.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (9 children)
[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I see what you did there

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If he had any real reason to do so, it would be fine. Their problem is that "retalitation" is not a valid reason according to A14.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Radio hosts are saying failure to secure our border is an insurrection. I wish I was making it up.

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

That's just because they don't understand words with more than three syllables.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The more extreme republicans in Congress have been trying to mangle the definition to fit any politics or laws they don’t agree with. Their thinking is something like “this action will hurt the country, therefore people who support it are committing treason!” Of course one problem is they can’t tell the difference between facts and their beliefs/predictions. The other is of course that’s not the definition of treason, which specifically means a betrayal by colluding with an outside party, or an insurrection (you know, like their leader tried). And to normal people it’s obviously so dangerous to start claiming that politics and policies you don’t agree with are “treason”.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They don’t actually believe it’s treason; They’re trying to water down the word, so when Trump gets charged they can go “but look at all the “treason” the Dems have committed! The Dems haven’t been punished for it, so why should Trump?”

It’s a pretty common conservative tactic. Any time a prominent party member is going to be charged with something or have some big scandal break, they start rabble rousing and accusing liberals of whatever that particular key word or phrase is. All to dilute the actual meaning, and be able to go “it really isn’t that bad because the Dems do it all the time.” It doesn’t matter whether or not the democrats actually did any of it; All that matters is that republicans say they did, and conservative voters don’t fact-check them.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Right, that's true. One, they do things tit-for-tat because they're childish. I was actually just commenting somewhere else about the behavior/tactic you describe. I think it's also supposed to make their target audience think "well you're just accusing us of that because we accused you of it" or "that's projection", because these people do think like that and act like it in their own lives.

It also makes no moral sense because if say, my neighbor robbed a store, would that make it okay for me to rob a store? Of course not.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

The Republican party is a criminal conspiracy.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Based on what? Donnie stoked an insurrection and plotted a coup. He's a criminal.

What did Biden do?

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Loves his son, flaws and all

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[–] CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're trying to water down the word "insurrection" as hard as they can so they can invoke the 14th. They haven't really thought it through much more than that, much like the current impeachment discussions.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

They have been bleating for nearly three years now how "it wasn't really an insurrection", and I suppose that has not worked well, because most people continue to ignore them and their nonsense narratives about that. Now they are going to downplay the very term itself. Makes a certain kind of sense.

[–] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

This is going to lead to a civil war. The Republicans simply cannot accept any consequences for their actions, or any failure of their insane message to win a majority vote, so they resort to insurrection.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He can’t. Like all conservatives in politics- he knows nothing about the laws he swore to uphold.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There's a large swath of dumbassery in the current congress, especially the house and especially since maga, but don't make the mistake of thinking that all cons are dumb. Tons of the senators are lawyers. They aren't ignorant of the law, they're evil people using the law to line their pockets and make the world a worse place. Turtle McConnell couldn't have been grifting in politics for 137 years if he was stupid.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

States actually have quite a lot of control of who to put on their ballots. The prelude to the First Civil War had quite a lot of slaving garbage states, like Texas, only state to fight a war for slavery twice, not carrying Lincoln on the ballots, for example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So let me get this straight:

Colorado had to go through legal challenges and courts to remove a twice impeached rapist that’s hell bent on turning America into his own personal bank, but Texas can just remove people at will?

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I think any state could, if they don't have a legal system in place for that or just don't care about it. Look at how some R states were/did change their laws so if they decide they don't like the outcome of an election (claiming it was 'rigged' or whatever), the legislature can just pick a winner themselves.

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