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[–] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 106 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Stranger on the internet: Let me tell you why you are wrong to enjoy this thing and should feel terrible for having the gall to even try.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 54 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Also, you cheaped out on buying that entry-level Hobbything 1000. You need to at least buy the expensive 3000 model to enjoy anything.

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I do hate that whenever I mention I liked an older show I get "oooh, you know about the producer/lead actor/writer right?" And then I find out something awful and depressing.

How was everyone in show business so fucking terrible? Did Satan require a cosigner on any new media produced or something, like what the hell?

[–] feminalpanda@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just humans being themselves. Power consolidates corruption.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Objection stranger, you are very wrong and have fundamental issues! You'll never get better.

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[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Easiest way to start hating your new hobby is visiting it's subreddit.

It's obvious for video games because you can assume anyone that wants to be active on a specific game sub is probably a try hard that talks about the meta, or max DPS builds, or other annoying stuff. But then you visit something like the carbon steel pan subreddit, or grilled cheese, and you're continually assaulted with this idea that there are only specific pans and oils that are correct, or that your grilled cheese isn't actually a grilled cheese because it was cooked too close to an open pack of salami.

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Pet communities are horrible for this

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[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Video game communities suck, and it makes playing them worse.

You play an FPS and everyone uses the meta gun at the time, then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun. Same with RTS and any other multiplayer game. Somehow StarCraft 1 pulled out a perfect rock paper scissors balance, but nothing else really has that so meta is what people do.

And because everyone is so busy grinding and min maxing, that's what the game developers design for now, and it sucks the fun out of games because you just grind hours to get some new items to have the best items in the game.

Occasionally game communities are good. The Chivalry 2 subreddit had a bot that would use GPT to answer questions and then on every post go on about how the polehammer is the best weapon in the game, which was so over the top it made fun of the whole meta idea. The Breath of the Wild communities doing crazy rube Goldberg machines are always fun. And I'll never not enjoy the weird hellscapes people create in the Sims.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun

OMG, this was what killed overwatch for me. I'm disabled and can't play games that require fast paced precise and concise actions. So Symetra was my jam. I tried other characters like torbjorn but the all had the same problem. Some 13 yo genji prick would hop circles over my head while my health ticked away and I shot sporadically around at the sky before I inevitably die. But not Sym. All I had to do was backpedal and keep that grasshopper mf'er in my general view. And pop. Pulling him into a doorway with 6 kill lasers was the best feeling the in the world. But that enabled me to be useful to the rest of the team. I occasionally did good enough that I ranked in the top of the match, but I was almost never carried.

And then they nerfed sym because, "nOt EnOuGh PrO pLaYeRs PiCk HeR!!¡!!" No more walking shield. No more turret web. No more over shield for the team. No more wide lock on gun. They turned her into just another precision shooting player. She had a Halloween bag of tricks and they swapped it for a tooth brush.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Last time this happened to me was when I said I liked an experimental musician's youtube channel cause he has a lot of content about his process etc. Got reamed in the comments by a salty user cause the musician once featured a product in a video made by a brand that it's popular to hate, yet used by many musicians. One of the most reddit things ever.

The same subreddit heavily discouraged me, in classic reddit style, from getting a product once. I did anyway following my intuition. Then a year later it became the most recommended product for that purpose.

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[–] MightyWeaksauce@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I enjoyed Cyberpunk at launch. Forgive me...

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I did too... Even with a handful of weird bugs, it was an awesome experience (on PC)

[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I played it on ps5, crashes were very rare and the story/gameplay was great.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

Even when it crasehd every hour I had a blast, I learned how to tell if it was about to crash and I would save and rebbot

I'm playing it again and it looks great on v2.1

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So did I. I never understand what everyone was bitching about.

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It was a damn good game at launch, and it just got better over time. I defend it always since I had a blast, had very few and only minor bugs/issues, and got a ton of time out of it for the money.

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[–] CryptidBestiary@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Fandom is like a coin. A coin that has a shiny surface on one side and a dirty, rusty, smelly layer on the other. Some fans can have the passion and diligence to elevate the media while being respectful, while a lot of fans can be just down right hateful because it's easier to do so while contributing to nothing

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For example, Gintama anime subreddit. It is such a pleasant corner of reddit. Everyone just caring about the show and characters and jokes, that’s all. I have rarely seen a hateful comment or post.

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[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Looking at VTuber fandom out there. Two weeks ago, a famous female VTuber called Ironmouse (who, BTW, has an immune disease and cannot leave her house) won an award, and you know what the fans of other candidates did? They sent her death threats.

Oh boy 😬

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

VTuber fandom has the extreme opposites. By just being in the Hololive community I’ve seen people being absolute gems and creating content that everyone loves (Kay Yu, Kanauru, 2ManySnacks)… and on the other side people gatekeeping everything, way too parasocial fans, thirst everywhere and extreme tribalism.

If you stop at top comments/posts it’s usually a great experience, you just have to learn to stop scrolling when the toxicity begins.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

You haven't lived until you've been drug into an argument about lightsaber forms.

[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ever since leaving reddit I feel like a new person.

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[–] Chinchillax@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

I’ve had the opposite experience. But then again I don’t really watch media without interacting and falling in love with the fandom first.

I wouldn’t have watched Star Trek without Trekkies being awesome.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For many “fans,” it seems like it’s trendy to be cynical and negative.
They can’t just enjoy a new Trek, or Star Wars, or Marvel movie, without picking it apart and finding everything to complain about - and then criticizing not only the show/movie, but the more positive fans who are willing to overlook such trivial issues and just have fun.

Not to mention the really awful subgroups of fans who will hate any genre where a woman hero or a minority hero gets time in the spotlight. They tank viewer ratings, harass the stars on social media, just go out of their way to ruin it for everyone. Totally toxic.

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Star Wars fans spending days dissecting the intricacies of a fantasy space opera is highly amusing.

[–] ChillDude69@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Shit, that's what they USED to do, back in the good old days. Now, it's just "WAAAAAH, WAAAAH, WAAAAHHHHH, THERE ARE TOO MANY ASIANS AND LESBIANS AND BLACKS!"

You realize how long it's been since I've seen grown men get to the point of threatening each other's safety, over whether or not the hyperspace drives in Star Wars are more realistic than the warp drive from Star Trek?

I never thought I'd miss that shit, but I miss it.

Also, like, can I remind everyone of the cantina scene, from the first fucking movie? NOTHING about that scene says "these producers and writers don't really buy into the whole concept of diversity,"

Motherfuckers, there were two different kinds of blue alien, aliens with actual butt-faces, a WEREWOLF, some guys with insectoid multi-faceted eyeballs, and a guy with an ultramodernist chair for a fucking head. And the biggest asshole in the place was the fat white guy who didn't like a specific group (droids) and wouldn't let them in his bar.

But now, some of y'all think "wokeness" in Star Wars is some kind of NEW thing?

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think, honestly, the worst thing about Star Wars fans discussing the intricacies of Star Wars is that there are no intricacies and it's concerning how many people still missed the points.

Light Side Good Dark Side Bad Shut The Fuck Up About Gray Jedi And The Empire Doing Nothing Wrong

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love comedy podcasts, The Jeselnek and Rosenthal Vanity Project, a favourite. His style is dark humour and it seems that a significant proportion of the audience actually believe some of the things he jokes about. I think it's one of the reasons they rarely field audience questions and never phone calls.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Comedy can be a minefield for this type of stuff. I'm a big fan of the comedians that can dance around the edge, or seem to cross it and then bring the audience back, eg: Mark Normand, Bill Burr, Jimmy Carr, a lot of the old Norm MacDonald stuff, etc.

But I'll see some fan compilations with titles or comments that make it clear that they don't get the style of humor... Like "[comedian] DESTROYS feminists!!1!"

When, to anyone with a reasonable level of social intelligence, it's abundantly clear that that's not what's happening.

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[–] Dio@lemy.lol 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fanbases and fandoms are poison, thanks to social media. You know exactly what I mean.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nothing wrong with endless ships, and AI makes it even easier!

[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This picture is so wrong and offensive!

Picard is captain, he wears four pips, not three. Honestly.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I like some manga and anime, but I usually come away with an uncomfortable feeling when I interact with passionate fans of manga or anime. To me, the vast majority is crap, but there are some good gems here and there. Hardcore fans though are all about the most boring or weird shit, and even have a slightly off sense of humor. I’m sure I’d be seen as some filthy casual who just follows the mainstream shit, like how people outside of RPGs only see DnD as the entirety of the role-playing hobby. It’s probably always going to happen between casuals and passionate fans of any topic.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah. I did not hang out in Star Trek groups for many years despite being a fan - I didn't near to hear a million times why Enterprise sucked or Discovery sucks or whatever. I enjoyed both and don't need to listen to someone screeching about continuity errors or whatever in a fictional TV show.

And they can't help themselves, more than once I've made a comment like this only to have someone reply, "Well, Discovery sucks because blah blah blah!", and it's like, "THANKS FOR DEMONSTRATING THE POINT I WAS MAKING. YOU'RE THE PROBLEM. YOU."

No one hates Star Trek more than Star Trek fans.

I joined a group on facebook that is called "Wholesomeposting" and that kind of shit is not allowed. It's much nicer that way. The noise level on Lemmy hasn't been too bad, fortunately...so far.

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Me and the Apex Legends community

Me: This seems like a cool game, and it's free, and it's made by the Titanfall people.

Apex Legends community: Autistic screeching

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh man, I really like One Punch Man, and I've always been a fan of the whole "poking fun at anime tropes thing", but if you spend 30 mins on the subreddit for that subject you find a lot of people that don't really see that the "child that's actually much older than they look" thing isn't a justifiable excuse for filling your sub with subjective images of a child.

At a certain point, it basically became trolling to raise that these people needed their hard drives checked by law enforcement professionals, and less to do with the thing that I actually enjoyed.

[–] Traister101@lemmy.today 6 points 2 years ago

Child that's older than they look? Tatsumaki? Not exactly a child she's just short...

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Hmm, what's something I really like that gets shit on all the time? Open-world games with question marks all over the map is a big one. I like checking off points of interest, but it's reviled by many, and I can understand why. I also hate Soulslike games even though they seem to be super popular.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

This rings especially true for Rick and Morty, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Both are good shows ruined by obnoxious fandoms

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I just wanna talk theories but everyone wants to shit all over Marvel :(

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[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"No one should have to meet their hero.", and even less so: fellow fans.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Aren't you afraid you enjoy it for the wrong reasons?

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