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Republicans slam broadband discounts for poor people, threaten to kill program::Thune, Cruz complain that $30 discounts go to people who "already had broadband."

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 139 points 2 years ago (3 children)

what a bunch of low life jerks.

they can give millions in subsidies direct to corporations, but a mild discount in internet services for poor people requires incredible, roadblock worthy proof of obvious numbers for zero reason. theyre just assholes.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago

I would like to propose an alternative solution: Force broadband providers to offer low cost service to families that need it. Don't subsidize it, just force it.

Internet connections cost next to nothing to maintain. The telecoms can afford it.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they can give millions in subsidies direct to corporations

That's exactly why they're fighting it -- every dollar they give to poor people is a dollar less they can give to rich people.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

That's what they think, or at least that's what they want you to think. Every study has shown that every dollar you give to anyone below the 40th percentile returns more than a dollar to the economy. The lower on the totem pole, the more it grows the economy. The opposite is also true. For every dollar you give the top 10 percent, 70 cents or less goes back into the economy.

The more they give the poor, the richer they would get, but the money isn't the point. Cruelty is. They want to cause as much harm as they can get away with before we whip out the trebuchets and guillotines.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is so sad. In Spain the government takes care of the central internet infrastructure and fiber is now available pretty much everywhere. You want to start an ISP? Just buy access to the central network and build the last mile. Every small town has it's on ISP or two. You want fiber? Some guy will show up tomorrow and lay down a cable to your house. $20-$30 a month without any termination fees. Last time I had to connected internet in new apartment it took literally couple hours.

USA should do the same but of course red states would block it and lobbyists for the corporations would fight it on every step. So instead they are giving free money to the telcos making sure the prices will stay high and no investment will be done.

[–] jispal01@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In America, even the Democrats would block something like that.

Both parties in our country have decided that nothing should happen unless a person who is already rich gets richer. That Government should never take any action if it possibly reduces the chance that someone else would make profit off of a problem.

Like we don't even build roads any more, unless we make it a public/private partnership where taxpayers pay to build the road, and then a private company takes over toll collection.

My town built a bridge across a river - not even really a new bridge, sort of replacing a existing bridge that was free to cross. And in the last few months of construction, the city announced that they'd partnered with a private company to collect tolls to fun maintenance. It was $2.50 to cross (one way) for cars when the bridge opened - like 6 years ago - and they're increased the tolls every opportunity since then. So now it costs more than $5 - each way - to cross the bridge for cars. The price for a Semi-truck to cross has on;y risen by 25% in the same time.

And they're notoriously bad. They double bill. They bill errantly (sending people bills who didn't even use the bridge). They're tolling system will be months behind. They'll put liens on cars that they claim crossed even when they haven't yet sent a bill.

The city government knows about all these problems and they are just like "our hands are tied, we signed a contract with them". So that bridge will be a Govenrment-enforced, for-profit scam for at least another 30 years.

And sometimes the city doesn't even get their full cut, because they apparently promised in the contract with the company that there would be a certain minimum daily use. So some days the city forgoes their cut, in order for the company to hit their promised profit for that day.

Mind you, this company didn't' have any part in building the bridge. And they don't run physical tollboths. They just built an array of cameras and sensors and have a payment portal website. And yet we let them gatekeep the bridge and the money generated by the bridge.

And of course, use of the bridge is always low, because people drive 20 miles out of their way to use the free bridge. And the more they raise the tolls, the more people avoid the bridge. So the more days the city doesn't even take a cut.

This bridge is basically in the middle of a city - so some people commuted across the old bridge for free, now they have to pay $10 in tolls just to go to work and back home. Or they add 40 minutes to their commute, add unnecessary traffic to other roads in town.

Just because a Democrat led city Government didn't believe in paying with tax dollars for maintenance on a bridge that was already built.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's all really tragic. I remember reading somewhere that in one US city the town hall sold the control of all parking meters to a private company. Now the company raises prices constantly and the city can't do anything that would put their profits in danger like closing a road for public event.

[–] ferralcat@monyet.cc 4 points 2 years ago

It's nuts to me that the government isnt clamouring to run free email or cloud storage for people, and encourage them to use it. Same for phone service. It seems like an easy and relatively cheap way to get free access to a lot of data.

[–] SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spain is also the size of a single state.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 7 points 2 years ago

USA also has a lot more money, right?

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Republicans literally exist to only make things worse.

[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So don't be like that, they also exist to get paid by their corporqte overlords and remove rights.

You will find that was covered by the previous sentiment.

[–] AnomalousBit@programming.dev 24 points 2 years ago

Never a missed opportunity to grind the poor into the dirt, am I right republicans? Oh, but they’ll lobby for billions (with a fucking B) to give away in government subsidies to AT&T and other broadband providers all the while abolishing Net Neutrality.

If you have any illusion to think republicans are helping you at all, look no further than their jaw dropping history in telecom policy.

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Internet should be treated as a utility, not a for-profit business who we need to give more government kickbacks to. Look how well that turned out in the past.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anyone else think republican politicians would be really bad at chess?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They'd play chess like a pigeon would. Flipping over pieces and shitting all over the board, while having no clue what they are doing, nor caring about what they are doing.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Well, shitting on things without consequence is definitely their definition of freedom.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why do republicans hate poor people so much?

[–] Username02@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

They don't see you as people. It's just that simple.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Rich republicans: because they view them as damaged goods who only have themselves to blame, that are only fit for slave labor to profit from.

Poor republicans: ?? probably think that they'll become rich one day, unlike those other poor low life schmucks who deserve nothing because they're damaged goods who only have themselves to blame, that are only fit for slave labor.

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

If you have the time, I recommend Adam Conover's podcast interview of Corey Robin about What Liberals Get Wrong about the Right. It answered a lot of questions like this for me.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Republicans like helping Poor People like Jesus did!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Should be higher. $60/mo. tax credit for broadband plus $2,000 every 3 years for tech gear.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I thought there was a companion requirement that providers must offer a plan that is fully covered.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Republican members of Congress blasted a program that gives $30 monthly broadband discounts to people with low incomes, accusing the Federal Communications Commission of being "wasteful."

The lawmakers suggested in a letter to FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel that they may try to block funding for the Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP), which is expected to run out of money in April 2024.

The letter questioned Rosenworcel's testimony at a recent House hearing in which she warned that 25 million households could lose Internet access if Congress doesn't renew the ACP discounts.

"At a hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee on November 30, 2023, you asserted—without evidence and contrary to the FCC's own data—that '25 million households' would be 'unplug[ged]…from the Internet' if Congress does not provide new funding for the ACP," the letter said.

As Congress considers the future of taxpayer broadband subsidies, we ask you to correct the hearing record and make public accurate information about the ACP."

Unfortunately, your testimony pushes "facts" about the ACP that are deeply misleading and have the potential to exacerbate the fiscal crisis without producing meaningful benefits to the American consumer.


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[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

$30 would pay for my fibre entirely

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

$30 would cover the $27 of taxes and (mostly) fees for my phone and internet (business) bundle.

I have a "Deregulated Administration Fee" of $8.95.

Edit: It is 100/40 bonded VDSL2 for those curious. There is an upgrade available to 200/40 though. Good speeds for middle of nowhere, but that means only one wired provider.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I gave up on cable internet about 2 years ago.

I just use my phone and haven't looked back. Saves me a ton of money, too.

[–] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh wow, I have 5G on my phone and it served its purpose when the cables were being repaired (which took a few months), but I'm not pulling 1000/1000 mbit with latencies of under 6 ms from the air, and it only costs like 35 eur / month

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I can get 500mbps for $50 or 1gbps for $65.

My cell phone bill is only $25, and I don't need to download large files often or under time-constraints.

Having an extra $600 in my bank account every year is pretty noticeable, though.