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Even if you are not a fan, her legacy and impact is indisputable.
Did you just "you're god damn right" yourself?
Did you just ”Oh, you're right. And when you're right, you're right” yourself?
I'll never forget her ethereal performance as Bill Murray's alarm clock in Groundhog's Day.
She was robbed at the Oscars that year.
Good for her.
I am indifferent to both Cher and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. I’m surprised I even put in the effort to post this comment.
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Agree. But I dont think she "change the music forever" with Believe, as she claims.
EDIT to add that talk box and vocoder were around in the 70s : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En8uiRa8jPE
Oh she did. Or rather her producers did (although I've read they claim to have used vocoders, not pitch correction, but who knows). Just listen to basically any modern "hip-hop" and you hear that crap.
Or maybe they just listened to the Sesame Street theme song from 1972? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMDCjA9_-tM Cause Vocoder and talk box were around way before Cher and her producers. Believe was just a big hit song, nothing innovative about it, Kraftwerk had been using that king of sound almost 30 years before she did.
I'm fully aware of vocoders and talk boxes, that both work completely differently from pitch correction. The reason why people trace the roots of exaggerated pitch correction to Cher is because her song was the first (popular) one that sounded like exaggerated pitch correction and not like a vocoder or talk box. Most audio engineers I know doubt the claims that they used vocoders, but again who knows.
I would agree that autotune might have kinda change music (although when used in a deliberately exaggerated way it doesn't sound much different from a vocoder), but to me Cher's song is just one of the pop hits that helped popularize the effect. IMO, it's just a very well-produced pop song, which contributed to the rise of a form of vocal processing that's very widespread today, which is already quite a lot. But it's not revolutionary in itself, it's very much in keeping with all the codes of pop music. For the records, I'm actually a teacher in audio engineering at a college and Univ so I've been quite interested in the over-popularity of this type of audio processing in recent decades.
Exaggerated pitch correction like that sounds very different from a vocoder (at least any vocoder I've ever heard). I'm sure there are ways to get close to that sound using a vocoder and other tools if you really try to replicate it, but there's a reason pretty much everyone thought they used Auto-Tune even though vocoders had been around for a long time and they claimed to have used vocoders. And as it turns out, it was Auto-Tune.
And I'd argue the reason why she thinks she changed music forever (God I hope it's not forever) is because of how widespread that kind of use of exaggerated pitch correction has become. Not that it in itself was a completely new and different thing that was completely unlike anything anyone had ever heard ever and music is now played backwards with no notes.
Didn't it give us the auto-tune effect?
No. It was already widely used, discreetly. She was the first to popularize using it cranked up to 11 as an intentional style choice. It's more apt to say she gave us T-Pain.
And T-Pain is awesome, so thanks, Cher!
(His cover of War Pigs from last year was pretty sweet.)
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And wasn't it the producer who did the cranking uppa? She just gave the thumbs up. She didn't even write a single note on that track.
I'd argue it's exactly that exaggerated sound she's referring to. So by her giving us T-Pain she also gave us everything post T-Pain that also sounds like that.
At least T-Pain has a sense of humor about all that.
The idea that random people pick a select few musicians to be inducted is just more artificial scarcity bullshit. It's not a legitimate institution if it can't recognize more people to give a wider breadth of exposure to the legacy of rock n roll. By inducted some, they pretend they have the authority to determine the legacy of rock n roll, but their snubs say more about their deficiencies than about those they snub.
Why does a pop singer care about rock and roll hall of
fame? Do they induct pop singers as well?
I'm not sure if you're being factitious or not but, yes, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inducts pop music. In fact, it is, by definition for pop music as it is a record of the music that has influenced our society through popularity. The museum is great, and the idea of a HoF for rockstars is fun, serious and laughable. Cher absolutely belongs in it, but they only allow so many in each year... I do hope she gets in during her lifetime.
Not being facetious. I haven't ever paid attention to the rock and roll Hall of Fame, so I always assumed that it was rock and roll artists who were inducted into it rather than other genres.
Pop is a genre, an actual style of music, not simply whatever is popular. Sometimes using a word like 'popular' in a genre name is a bad idea
See also: modern art, and the unwieldy term 'post-modern'.
The Rock Hall is pretty loosey-goosey with its terms. Dolly Parton was inducted last year, which she gracefully ended up accepting only after promising to release a real rock album.
Which she did last month, by the way, and it slaps. Dolly forever.
She is a treasure.
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What a weird mix of examples in the summary that doesn’t do justice to her career. Was it written by the hall of fame?
why should i care if a museum thinks music is good
Okay, maybe she did say it... but WHEN she said it, it sounded like an AI autotuned toilet echo.
They should put her in the Hall just because of this action. Maybe put a sticker saying "we rocked you". That'd be such a rock-ish thing to do.
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