democrats attempt a strategy other than scolding challenge [impossible]
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I'm old enough to remember a guy running around the country promising "Hope" and "Change", claiming that we need a popular people-powered revolution to bring about sweeping economic reforms, and advocating for a large grass-roots organization to overturn a stagnant and deteriorating national regime.
That guy was absolutely full of shit and walked away from all the cool rhetoric as soon as he was sworn in (twice, because god forbid some bow-tie nerd question whether you followed the rules). But fuck, it was fun to believe better things were actually possible.
the thing i remember is believing he was genuine right up until the moment he nominated biden for vp. i held out hope for a little while that it was a ploy to manipulate party leadership, and then he just never closed guantanamo, and started bombing weddings and hospitals and pine nut farmers. but i recall a solid couple of weeks i thought things could turn around.
Back in 2008, I honestly had no idea why Biden's nomination was significant. He looked like a sop to the centrists rather than a broker for the plutocrats. In retrospect, I probably should have known better. But I was high on that "Anybody But Bush" drug, and Obama seemed like a far more attractive option than Clinton (nevermind McCain). So Biden didn't bother me until much later on.
he just never closed guantanamo, and started bombing weddings and hospitals and pine nut farmers
Yeah. The Gitmo thing in particular was just so nauseating. After all that Unitary Executive bullshit Bush had employed with abandon, it seemed downright trivial for a decent human being with Presidential authority to finally lance and drain that shameful sore on the American conscience. But year after year, long after the whole Congressional do nothing charade had turned into a sick joke, he just kinda organized another commission to question the logistics of thinking about the legality blah blah blah.
Literally all that asshole was good for was another package of excuses. Absolutely worthless piece of shit.
When Dems whine about DeSantis I like to remind them that he got started in GITMO. Obama was such a fucking failure. I remember when talking about climate change he brought up how his daughter was very distressed and her friends had questions and she wanted to know what to say. I am sure he thought his answer was salient because he repeated it. It was some bullshit about "well if we can't avoid 2C we will try to keep it under 3C.
The man basically told his daughter that we are fucked and asking for an unfucked future was meaningless. I can understand saying that to a child you don't know Ala Feinstein but saying it to your own kid is a special kind of fucked up.
yes we can!
"I think genocide is bad."
"Well that's okay, that's just a small disagreement, we can find a middle ground between us I'm sure"
biden can have little a genocide, as a treat.
I keep forgetting we have that emote
should be a permanent header for this com
If Trump is really a wannabe fascist dictator just throw his ass in jail until he dies. Why hinge the whole thing on whether or not Biden wins?
Because if they throw one president in prison it's a slippery slope to the rest of them being held liable for their many, many crimes.
You just did a fallacy there sweaty 
so all future US presidents will work from prison. i fail to see the problem here.
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Liberals insist that republicans are fascist, taliban, compromised by foreign agents, undemocratic, and evil and that only the Democratic Party can protect democracy. Yet they will still allow the republicans to operate and hold contests with them every 2-4 years.
One party communist government? BAD!
Convoluted “liberal democracy” where you allow the people you consider undemocratic terrorists to hold power and negotiate with them for bread crumbs even when you’re in control of the country and military? GOOD!
They also jack themselves off for trying to be bipartisan with the aforementioned 'terrorists' too
I don't know what's more sad. Them cynically saying Trump launched a coup to scare their voters into voting for them, or Trump actually launching a clown coup failing and them being too much of weak pussies to fucking hang his ass.
Vote for the guy is funding and supporting a genocide abroad vs the guy who wants to be a xenophobe at home. What wonderful options!
biden is still building the wall, deporting tons of people and not dissolving ice. So the only difference is rhetoric.
Not true, Trump would get rid of Roe!
And he'd saber rattle with China, increase the military budget while we're not in any declared wars, bump border security's budget, entertain deals with the other party to send Ukraine more weapons in exchange for more xenophobic border laws, he'd deep six student loan forgiveness, he'd let states pass all sorts of transphobic bills
Wait, I'm being handed a note
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Didn't he make money being a Trump reply guy during his administration?
Probably, a bunch of them did
So ready for him and that Brooklyn Dad idiot to kick into high gear since it's about to be an election year
Correction: Brooklyn Dad Defiant. The defiant part was a reference to refusing to pay child support, his grift before Blue MAGA started paying him.
Oh I remembered that from other posts here
I simply forgot the last part of the name because...I don't really care
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Oh hey look at that, BlueMAGA has now reached the old 2018 RedMAGA benchmark of describing support for genocide as "a difference of opinion."
These motherfuckers really are just the same people they claim to hate but on a time delay
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if you want my vote, start purging the aspiring fascist dictators 
Seriously, it's the most insulting thing about this whole theater of crocodile hysterics. We fucking know they don't take this seriously, because if they did then they would have done the entire republican party Micheal Roenohl-style on January 7th.
Biden is literally paving the way for Trump to deport and abuse even more immigrants. His policies are so bad that even liberals are starting to cry about it, but not because it’s bad, but because Trump might use those policies instead of Biden.
this guy is still around huh
I was almost relieved not having to see his fucking face everyday on Reddit, and then he pops up here
Genocide is going to happen blue or red purity 
. Don't have a choice in it. So who would you rather have genocide with? Be an adult and be pragmatic!
Jeff getting back into the saddle now that the elections are only a year away. He's been bereft, searching for a purpose for 3 long years.
It's really liberating when you just accept you're gonna have to ignore this for a year and nothing they can say will change it.
It's even better to tell them that.
i only just learned that this guy is Katie Tiedrich's father and that's baffling to me. These people don't feel like they should belong to the same era. It's like learning that Anne Frank and Barbara Walters were born the same year.
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I'd say I more than "sometimes don't agree with" Trump, Jeff.
I don't know about this guy, but its seems like a lot of these older liberals have no idea what's going on in Gaza. Its willful ignorance, because you can just pick up tiktok and you'll see everything, but a lot of the talking points surrounding the election have not changed much outside of the spheres where there's actual coverage of the genocide. honestly it was jarring, i had myself a little thread yesterday and it felt like i'd gone back in time to September.
Cuz Biden loves immigrants. If he was more honest/conscious he’d be saying the same stuff. A president doesn’t just say stuff, they have real power and we’ve seen what Biden has done with it.
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They think that whether or not certain ethnic groups should be exterminated is 'just an opinion' if all their play-dumb rhetoric from 2016 is anything to go by.
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Every time I go an reddit it reminds me why I just can't take libs seriously. Like they are completely disconnected from material reality.
No, see, the best case scenario is, Trump wins, but Democrats hold the house and senate for his whole term. Nothing happens for four years, don’t need to deal with Biden anymore, the MAGA chuds lose the possibility of their god emperor ruling again (and none of the wannabes will inspire them like he does), and Dems can’t use the spectre of Trump returning as a crutch anymore.
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Sure Genocide Joe supports Israel openly targeting hospitals in Gaza but did you see the way Donald Drumff served cheeseburgers in the White House?
Cheeseburgers!
Hes terrified of the cheeto getting back in the white house.
Didnt we have a tiedrich emoji?
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