And it's really funny because they were basically just LARPing cops and robbers and doing what they thought they were supposed to do. And somehow it gets taught as gospel truth to laypeople. Most "experiments" in the 70s were just college kids and barely older than them professors doing drugs and crimes.
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Any psychology research done by a krakkker is sus
As a mayo psych researcher, I wish I could say this wasn’t true, but I also hate most psychology research and discourse. Not all fields are as bad as others, but god damn is a lot of psychology regressive
I’m several years into grad school, and every year I spend more time reading critical theory from sociologists or political theorists, and less time reading psychological research 🤷
more time reading critical theory from sociologists or political theorists, and less time reading psychological research
You've probably read this, but I'm linking it because it has a sources list.
https://www.hamptonthink.org/read/capitalism-and-mental-health
I just remembered what pushed me over the edge with my research actually, lmfao. i was at a conference about suicide (content warning, but i'm not really talking about sui in detail) research,
There was a researcher originally from China (but whose been based in the US for several decades now) that was presenting about how suicide-rates in China had decreased by 75% throughout the 1990's and 2000's, while rates increased around the world by ~30%. In the talk, he was explaining how this reduction was driven by a combination of changing material and social conditions: In a single lifetime, people who were born into deep poverty, who were raised in far away rural areas with little to no technology are now living in major metropolitan areas that rival the West's best cities. At the same time, there's been all kinds of social and cultural shifts about gender norms, self-determination, etc..
I was so interested in this talk, and i felt like all signs were pointing towards some kind of leftist or left-ish conclusion, but then it never happened. His talk just fizzled out. I asked him after the talk: What can Americans working in suicide-prevention, whether its front-line crisis workers or workers involved in policy, learn from his research? Does he think there is anything we in America/Canada can learn from China about how to rethink or reshape our economy to prevent suicide, e.g., uplifting the poor and/or reducing poverty and inequality? And he gave a super lib answers like "keep improving the economy" and "fund fossil fuel, keep driving your car", [keep the imaginary line going up]"
Zimbardo appears to recognize this in his book about the experiment The Lucifer Effect, the thesis of which is that there aren't "bad apples" so much as "bad barrels," i.e. otherwise normal people can turn sociopathic in situations where sociopathic behavior is normalized or expected. Even assuming that the experiment was good science (it wasn't), the conclusion that it represents evidence that humans are inherently cruel and selfish seems like a major misinterpretation of both the researchers' hypothesis and their findings.
otherwise normal people can turn sociopathic in situations where sociopathic behavior is normalized or expected
Israel.
Settler colonialism is the “bad barrel”