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KBIN is not implementing promised improvements in moderation, federation, and fighting spam. I have given up on this platform, and I can't recommend anyone to put any effort into it any longer.

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I just stepped down as moderator from all five of the subreddits I used to moderate over on Reddit. I just can't ethically justify continued activity on Reddit, and especially free volunteer labour for an openly greedy company that is engaged in scummy behaviour, forcing mods to open protesting communities or be demoted.

So my online activism for boys and men is now focused here and on Mastodon. And I am welcoming everyone coming over from Reddit, especially from LeftWingMaleAdvocates, the sub I put in the majority of my time and effort as a mod.

Let's build something good here, as we did previously on Reddit. It appears we have a wider reach here, so let's debate in good faith and with civil manners.

Here, in this magazine (i.e. community or subreddit in Kbin-speak) we wish to discuss and spread awareness of various issues that disproportionately affect males.

We believe men are not being well-served by either side of the mainstream political spectrum. We oppose the right wing's exploitation of men's issues as a wedge to recruit men to inegalitarian traditional values. But we also oppose feminist attempts to deny male issues, or shoehorn them into a biased ideology that blames "male privilege" and guilt-trips men.

We have no objection to the genuinely egalitarian aspects of feminism, but we will criticize feminist ideology wherever it is inegalitarian and/or untruthful, especially now that it holds institutional power. Too often feminism has promoted a one-sided "equality", dismantling male advantages while exploiting, reinforcing, preserving, and downplaying female advantages - particularly in cases involving alleged abuse.

In practice this means that most of us are politically homeless. The natural home for male advocacy should be the left wing, which professes to be explicitly egalitarian. But in modern practice, men's issues are habitually ignored, denied, or even opposed.

We seek to address male issues without falling into the traps of an impossible return to the past or a disastrous sexism. Men and women have equal value, and we need to work together for a better future.

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[–] ahaskins@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I understand that you felt betrayed by reddit. I understand that you feel the need to use what power you have to salt the earth behind you.

But what you have done is wrong.

There was a support community that was a rare safe haven for people that needed that support. In a world full of right-wing nonsense and misandry on an absolutely gigantic scale, there was a safe group that allowed for freedom of expression without a need for tearing others down.

You were a large part of that, yes - but by destroying it in your wake you have undone all that work and then some. Not even allowing for a record of previous posts is... reprehensible.

**There were plenty of posts full of people asking to take over as the main mod of that subreddit. ** Instead of listening to them, you have tried to "take a stand" by destroying a community in a way that the reddit admins could not possibly care less about. You have destroyed a group of 15,000 people in a move driven by impotent spite.

You are also overwhelmingly arrogant to believe that not only have you "called" the replacement to reddit correctly (there are plenty of other competing sites, including reddit itself), but that you will be able to create a community even 1% as large here.

**REOPEN R/LEFTWINGMALEADVOCATES - AND APPOINT ANOTHER HEAD MOD. Then leave if you wish. You have ignored every poll, every post, every request for other opinions. And instead you have thrown a temper tantrum in a forum that was genuinely helpful for those who needed it.

Redeem yourself.**

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[–] assclapcalamity@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

alright, i guess. i don't entirely disagree, though I did feel like I was reading a MGTOW post with some words swapped out.

Your phrase; "The natural home for male advocacy" [is x on the political spectrum] is a strange phrase, and familiar, and formulaic.

Try humanism, and love

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[–] Hyacathusarullistad@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (31 children)

Re: your stance of feminism and its role in the betterment of the lives of men.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the primary problem at the core of most issues facing men today is the narrow, unrealistic, and frankly unhealthy image of masculinity that our society expects us to strive for. And I have to imagine that the (or at least a) goal of any sensible male advocacy group would be to push back against the notion that a man who doesn't meet this single societal ideal of manliness has failed to be a man.

However, I also don't think it can be dismissed as coincidence that so many of the words used to belittle men and boys who behave in ways they're not "supposed" to imply femininity.

"Don't be such a pussy."

"That guy's a little bitch."

"Haha, he cried like a girl!"

Would you not agree that one of the most powerful ways to go about robbing these types of sentiments of their power over young boys is to help feminists destigmatise simply being a girl or a woman? Most issues facing men aren't because women are being given advantages, but because men face the disadvantage of not being allowed to adopt roles or attitudes deemed beneath us — just as women are not allowed to adopt roles and attitudes deemed beyond their place.

I firmly believe that feminism, if truly successful, will allow men the freedom to be who and what they want to be because "masculine"/"feminine" will no longer equate to "good"/"bad" or "strong"/"weak".

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[–] Sorchist@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You seem to have an extremely specific take on men's issues, insisting you're not one of those men's rights guys but nonetheless taking a dim view of feminism except when you deem it sufficiently egalitarian and uncritical, I dunno about grabbing the whole concept/namespace of "men" and dedicating it to that. But ya did it, so good luck with it.

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