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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is why I have a love/hate relationship with science fiction and fictional worlds and universes. Though abstraction, it allows for the exploration of themes that would otherwise be impossible (such as making a movie during the 1970s and 80s, intended for US audiences, where the Viet Cong are the protagonists ), but this very same level of abstraction allows for fans and critics alike to completely misunderstand the plot, and have positive opinions of the obviously evil antagonists (Star Wars "the empire did nothing wrong" fans) or just miss the entire point, especially if satire is involved (see film critics completely misunderstanding "Starship Troopers" on release). Call it the dialectics of worldbuilding if you will.

[–] muddi@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is why I believe storytelling should include real world politics and be very explicit about it. Fuck escapism, embrace (good) propaganda

Meanwhile you have gamers rising up over the slightest apparent deviation from the norm, and Tolkien fans rising up about applicability not allegory

Though idk, despite the explicitness Star War fans also dig the fash vibes of the empire. I remember seeing a comment on the trailer for the Ahsoka show when they dropped the phrase "heir to the empire" or something and people said they actually felt chills wtf

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Most stories do contain real world politics and references to previous literature, it's just that media literacy is at an all time low amongst everyone from gamers to moviegoers, so it's all about what makes them "feel" good.

I'll draw a parallel to Star Wars here with a videogame called Ace Combat. It takes place in a fictional world, but with many similarities to our own world. In this video game franchise, the Belkan war is basically their version of WW2, and the nation of Belka represents Nazi Germany. There are so many references to WW2 and Germany, from the Belkans all having German names, the rise of an extreme right wing political party in Belka after economic hardship, Belka's invasion of all their neighbours though blitz warfare, references to the Siegfried and Maginot defensive lines (known as the Hydrian line and Glatisant in game missions), the 101st airborne division liberating towns Belka occupied, a mission in game called "inferno", where you bomb the Belkan city of Hoffnung (a clear reference to the real world bombing of Dresden), the partitioning of Belka into two countries post war, the Belkan superweapons being called "V1" and "V2", crazy ~~Nazi~~ Belkan scientists showing up in the sequels, etc. The parallels are endless. There are also plenty of references to Arthurian literature in game.

Yet, just how Star Wars has "the empire did nothing wrong" fans, Ace Combat also has some "Belka did nothing wrong" fans. I just think this can be an very basic illustration of how fascism and imperialism are popular. When you put the same scenarios in fictional settings and people suddenly start rooting for the fash or imperialists. It's why education is so important, and why basic media literacy is required to interpret and understand. All those English classes spent analysing literature in high school are actually very important.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Belka did nothing wrong"

So, they just kind of ignore how they nuked a bunch of their own cities huh?

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Supporting the in universe version of Nazi Germany who nuked East Germany 7 times to prevent an allied advance is always an interesting position to hold...

I think most people doing it are joking though, at least I hope. Belka is so comically evil and responsible for everything bad in universe that I can't imagine unironically supporting them.

[–] davel@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Then Luke lost the plot with his Slava Ukraini simping.