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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's no right-wing politics in germany. That is to say, of course there is - lots of it - but nobody would ever proudly proclaim it like elsewhere, because it carries the immediate association with being a nazi, which is widely disregarded. And THAT is to say, it is widely disregarded to be considered a nazi, not so much doing nazi stuff.

This seems to shift the overton window into the fucking 4th dimension as nobody can admit to being a right-winger anymore.

EDIT: The conclusion to the entire idea of being maybe sort of close to the nazis, ideologically, is that most people can have horrible shitty political opinions but convince themselves that's actually progressive, and you get this crap

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Europe is absolutely lousy with progressively worded bigotry. Take for example all the gay rights concern trolling islamophobia

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Offloading guilt + "to catch a murderer you need to hire a murderer" logic. Really fucked up.

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[–] anonochronomus@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Because they're crackers.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

ake nuance-cookery, bootlicking, both-sideism, and "akshually" 101 philosophy wannabe-majors and you got a complacent and unaware populace. In germanys underfunded and class-segregated education system historic revisionism and pop-lib history is widespread. Its countryside is controlled by American-founded CDU country lords. German society is also still conservative and regressive. The lower class of german society is very effectively sidelined, I know it from my father, who doesn't speak up or criticizes his bosses because of a sense of "Oh they are more qualified than me". Its a very weird hierarchal structure.

To alleviate some people's fears here, the hardcore pro-zionism is widespread amongst the higher chambers of german society, especially the "highly educated" section. I come from working-class surroundings and most of the people there are not that extreme, they also are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But just like with most countries, its the voice of the upper-class English-speaking "techie" population that gets amplified

[–] POKEMONGOTOTHEGULAG@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

vee hev tou protekt te joos in Israel vrom te eevil muslims!

Edit: But seriously, Germans are entirely obsessed with the idea of Israel absolving them of criticism. Germans in Europe are seen as brash, obnoxious know-it-alls who think everything in Germany is better. Superficially they are an extremely obnoxious people who should (and need) to tamper down their voice and brashness. Under the hood however they are extremely insecure and have the need to compensate the failures of modern Germany and their ancestors with moral bombasticism. Israel is a perfect surface to project their supposed moral superiority. After all, aren't they nobely supporting the Jewish cause by their uncritical support of Israel? How could Germany be antisemitic if they are taking the morally superior stance of protecting jews from scum Muslims?

[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Firsthand experience of course!

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why do Germans think that having committed the Holocaust gives them special privileges to speak about Jews?

A lmayo is speaking. It's time to (not) listen

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