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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

so it was the Zionists who killed the most Jews in one day since the Holocaust

huh I guess Zionism really is anti-Semitism

[–] voight@hexbear.net 75 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lmao "it's basically so fucked up nobody should ever look at it or think about it again" will probably work on libs

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The defense worked with the beheaded babies claim

[–] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Privately screening that shit so no one can do forensics and reveal they literally stole bodies for it is a bold move

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Imagining yakety sax playing while an APC chases around a squad of their own soldiers before running them over.

[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

idk anything about israel specifically but operating near large military vehicles really is dangerous and takes a lot of training and discipline to do it well under fire, infantry are usually in concealed cover positions and vehicle crew have limited visibility (with the hatches closed during combat especially) and completely overwhelmed hearing, idk the stats but i've heard from people in the military that especially in training exercises being run over is a common cause of death - there will be soldiers asleep camping in the field or passed out from exhaustion on a march and tank drivers drive right over them without even realizing. it should ideally be less common in combat because of radio communication and coordinated movement (in combat, everyone there is there to do the same/related jobs, where in training its a bunch of unrelated training groups doing different things in the same area), so this is still probably evidence of poor quality troops if not poor leadership and communications.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

My and the whole squad hiding behind the tank hoping It doesn't back up and mulch us

[–] anonochronomus@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Correct combined arms tactics require infantry to be a few hundred meters in front of armored vehicles. It doesn't work if they cower behind the armor like scared little piggies.

war is hell, and also really fucking stupid

[–] anonochronomus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

get wrecked losers

guarantee at least one of them was a driver that didn't engage the parking brake on a hill

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago

Critical support to the IDF for doing 9/11 against Israel.

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

shocked-pikachu Who could have foreseen the army with 20 year old lieutenants and 22 year old captains would panic and just start spraying everything that moved with bullets.

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Now you're just being ageist.

[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Damn, where are the Israel equivalent of 9/11 truthers for something like this. They already had the reveal that gov bodies knew about all the details of the attack in advance, this is like if the US released a report saying 'yeah there may have been some missiles fired into the twin towers in the confusion but it wouldn't be morally sound to investigate further.'

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

Damn, where are the Israel equivalent of 9/11 truthers for something like this.

actively getting garroted by mossad agents in the middle of the night

[–] arabiclearner@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They already had the reveal that gov bodies knew about all the details of the attack in advance,

I don't buy this when they say it. If you're referring to that New York Times article where Israeli intelligence basically claimed to have the Oct. 7 Hamas attack handbook, then yeah it's all BS in my opinion. Mouin Rabbani, when talking to Rania Khalek, said it best:

now of course um in addition to operation sword of iron which is um the operational name of the Israeli Onslaught on the Gaza Strip there's an equally important operation being conducted which is known as operation cover your ass in which every Israeli official and their brother claims to have known exactly what was going to happen warned everyone about it but it was someone else's fault that they didn't do anything um I don't take these issues uh seriously I mean you even had a long article in the New York Times um that the Israelis actually had a copy of Hamas's Master planning document for the um uh October 7th attack but maybe they thought it was a short story I don't know um you know first of all I very much doubt whether such a document even exists um it was probably written by someone in the Israeli intelligence agents to give to the New York Times to show that you know it wasn't us you need to talk to it was a fault of the politicians or it was a fault of the army um and then you had a um a day or two later an article in the Jerusalem Post which even though operating under rules of Israeli military censorship I thought was much more accurate that they had no information which is why they were um unable to prepare

https://www.youtube.com/live/kviD4vTFjlM?si=bW55zeYVkK-wnfo2 (at 24:55 to about 26:25)

I like Rania's reply too:

yeah it's uh you know you could just imagine if you're uh involved in some sort of militant activity and you're preparing a very secret operation that nobody knows about but you definitely wrote it all down and somehow you know it ended up in the hands of the Israelis I mean it's it's kind of absurd on its face

(at 24:55 to about 26:25) in the same vid above.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

7/10 really was an inside job

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

Fuck why couldn't they do al aqsa flood one month later

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eternally disappointed they didn't wait a day so it'd be 7/11

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

The 10 there is October, remember, so the next day would be 8/10

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And "immense" is just the soft PR vocab they are choosing to use here, so I assume they are responsible for about 80% of the deaths in fact.

[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we get a link to the fucking article.

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

Took like 2 seconds to look it up.

it should've taken zero seconds, don't let OP off the hook for their :liberalism:

[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

It didn’t. But thank you.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

Lmao the IOF has brought back fragging but by accident

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's the term for when they gradually walk information back? Has no one written a book on this process?

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Like an inverse limited hang out?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Another headline down, unlimited hangouts on the first world press

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There's an anecdote of Hamas fighters paragliding into the festival, becoming confused because there's no IDF soldier in the crowd, so they just start walking around asking the audience if they see any soldiers shortly before the "Hamas massacre" happened

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The way I heard it,* he was asking for them by referring to them as "the bad guys", which is kind of funny. Like a new player in an MMO or something.

*I have no specific reason to think it actually went like this

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

If isntreal says 1/5 of those who died were from friendly fire... it's probably double that number.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

I've had people in the military tell me about how well trained the IOF is because of all the intense training they do with the US military.

i-told-you-dog

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

This sounds similar to the "it's not you, it's me" joke from Seinfeld.

Israeli people be like: are you seriously doing the "it's complicated" bit with us? We invented the "it's complicated" bit!

[–] Nationalgoatism@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Critical support for the Israeli military killing each other

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

I kind of like to imagine there are a few anti-zionists in there who are using the baffling level of structural incompetence as cover for fragging officers