I guess it wasn't about states rights, guys.
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Lol. They've only ever used "states rights" like "small gubberment"; as a means to impose their will on the largest scale they currently hold power. As soon as they gain the upper hand and can impose their will via a higher government (or regulator) — such as imposing their will on local governments via state law, or imposing their will on states via federal law (or the EPA) — they don't give it a second thought.
This is how fascists and authoritarians operate. They lie, because words mean nothing to them but a means to achieve authoritarian rule... They don't stop at the national level either.
In Utah, our legislature is so committed to rejecting the will of large government and their attempts to control what happens. And yet, the Utah legislature itself controls every single thing that happens in this state, and so long as everyone agrees with their ultra-conservative point of view, then everything is great in their view of things. So in the end, we end up being slaves to THEIR beliefs anyway, and the victim of their own form of big government interfering in everything in our lives here all the time.
State's Rights means slavery. That's all it ever meant.
CSA states' declarations of secession, if I remember correctly, used the word "slaveholding" rather often to characterize CSA's members.
There are some other differences in direction, so back then it really was to some extent about states' rights, just as important as slavery or maybe a bit less. Which doesn't change the point.
(Also - I was a stupid kid at some point with sympathies to confederates. Eh.)
Like conservatives today, most of the men who fought and died for the Confederate states, were not a part of the ruling class they supported. They heard what they wanted to hear. They were convinced that the federal government was trying to take away their rights. They gave their own lives so a few rich men might continue to live by rich fucker rules. Men who owned other men. Men who didn't give a damn about the common folk they sent to fight. It's only ever been about the rights of the Few, the landowning slavers.
This will eventually extend to birth control.
Just you wait.
Supreme court: Imaginary babies are still babies
STDs are going to go through the roof. They already are, in part due to deteriorating public infrastructure and shittier sex ed. But this is going to make the quality of life for Americans go down. And increase DOA babies due to congenital syphilis.
Keep your voice down. You're giving the conservatives an erection.
They brought upon themselves an unusual position of ruling on abortion access even after its conservative majority declared that it would leave that question to the states.
To which it isn't authorized to rule because that falls to the FDA. They are religious zealots and not qualified to rule on medicine.
If this is actually successful, expect republicans to begin going after more fda approvals in the courts for things like hiv medications or vaccines. Anything that appeals to their religious zealot base, doesn't matter how many people they harm.
Edit: Didn't think of this originally, and not strictly related to abortion access debate, but the ruling as it stands could allow for pharmaceutical companies to sue each other and try to overturn the approvals of competitors' drugs. It's just such an unfathomably bad ruling on soooooo many levels.
That is because the conservative majority are a bunch of hypocritical lying liars.
I'm so sick of this goddamn stupid supreme court shit. Abortion is a woman's god-given right. And these drugs are the safest and easiest way. Taking them away will ONLY MEAN MORE ABORTIONS THAT ARE BOTCHED BY COAT HANGERS. It WILL NOT stop women from having abortions!! These stupid god damn filthy father fucking pieces of walking god damn dog excrement. I'm so fucking sick of this nonsense!!! There are just no words in the English language that can convey the level of hatred and loathing I feel for these black robed assholes.
Abortion is a woman's god-given right.
Why has no one argued that rules against abortion infringe on religious liberty? The Bible contains directions for a priest to perform an abortion. In any case, someone could simply claim the law stops them from practicing their chosen faith.
The satanic temple has. Those folks are out there doing the lord's work, ironically
The appeals in the two major abortion cases Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade were thought by some to have been taken up prematurely. There were a number of cases that came before those that were honing in on the issue from a gender discrimination standpoint. RBG is one who thought the cases were premature. For example, she had successfully argued that a disability benefit law granting survivorship benefits only to widows was illegally discriminatory against men. She had planned to do the same thing in a challenge to an abortion statute, and thought the Court would strike it down on grounds that it forced only women to carry a child to term after which only the woman had a legal duty to raise and care for the child. Before the Court could consider the argument, abortion statutes were struck down on based on penumbral reasoning, privacy grounds.
Yeah bodily autonomy is non-negotiable. This is the government tyranny that we’re theoretically allowed to have guns to prevent.
Your mistake is thinking that this position is one of ignorance. They hate women, plain and simple. It was never about a tumor that happens to turn into a human if you leave it alone long enough.
Oh I totally get that. I even wrote an editorial about the "women hating" so called "justices" of the Supreme court, and it didn't go over very well here in women-hating Utah. I agree with you on that completely.
THANK YOU. This is the kind of outrage this deserves. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
The constitution says nothing about this. Which means any ruling is judicial overstep
That would mean Federal Agencies would be beyond Judicial review. You sure that's what you want?
What authority does the Constitution give to dispense medical advice and regulate medical treatment?
The Supreme Court, NOT medical professionals, will get to decide what life saving medications YOU get to take! It's a good thing they aren't corrupt and we're appointed on merit without lying!
now in fairness, it's because these people who are not at all trained in medicine or experimental design think that the people whose training and careers are exclusively in medicine and experimental design may have done it wrong.
part of the republican strategy for getting their wildly unpopular agenda through nationwide has been making sure that anyone anywhere is allowed to make a legally-enforcable decision IF they agree with it, but ensuring that no amount of expertise or personal stake qualifies you to make the opposite decision. Multiple doctors agree that your pregnancy is non-viable? Doesn't matter, a city councilperson whose highest education is a GED has decided that doesn't qualify you for an exception to their abortion laws. The opinion of several doctors, the patient and the patient's parents is that the patient is trans? Not good enough, a complete stranger who knows neither you or anything that they're talking about said "no". You want books in your kids' school library? Only if they're approved by the Karenest Karen to ever Karen. It's designed to be a ratchet effect. Anyone can turn the dial to the right, no one can turn it back to the left, they call it "freedom" and the absolute monsters they're appealing to love it because the only freedoms they care about are the freedom to do what they want and the freedom to force everyone else to do what they want.
Capitalism needs meat for the grinder I guess? Can’t wait to see the court restrict this then let those Purdue pharma fuck heads off the hook for unleashing a plague on humanity .
I thought their whole reason behind repealing Roe v. Wade was about "letting the states decide." Of course that was total bullshit, otherwise this wouldn't even be a question.
I suspect the Court is politically savvy enough to avoid making mifepristone illegal right before the election. They'll make a soft open-ended decision that leaves it unrestricted and come back to it in a few years, then make it illegal.
Have you been living under a rock for the last couple of decades? The newest chucklefucks appointed to SCOTUS don't give two shits about appearances and will do whatever they want at any time.
They care a lot about appearances, what they don't care about is actual popular opinion or democracy.
If they cared about appearances they'd adopt a code of ethics.
They did though, right?
One that has no mechanisms of enforcement, which makes it exclusively about appearances.
I think you have a good point though: we shouldn't be surprised when they make another egregious ruling.
So is anyone gonna organize smuggling of mifepristone before they ban it or what?
I'm not American so maybe someone can explain this, the way your supreme court works sounds insane to me. Like what power does the US supreme court have that they can just ban drugs? Also what is stopping the states from just ignoring them on decisions like this?
Legislative branch writes the laws. Judicial branch interprets them. Executive branch executes/enforces them.
SCOTUS's power comes from judicial review and precedent. They can't make arbitrary decisions on arbitrary things. Someone has to bring a case through a ton of appeals and different courts, then SCOTUS can rule on their interpretation of the law and write one or more essays explaining why and the nuances of their decisions. Those decisions are then examples/precedents that are followed by lower courts in future cases, until someone goes through the process again and SCOTUS decides to take the case and change the precedent, which is even more difficult and rare.
In this case, it sounds like they're arguing over if the FDA did their legally required due diligence. If not, then their approval is null and void, so the drug is banned.
A bunch of things stop states from ignoring their decisions. In this case, any company making the drug is not going to value it as worth the risk so it probably won't even make it to court again.
Some federal laws are tied to federal funding. For example, the 21 drinking age is tied to funding for roads. States can choose to set the age to 18, but they lose out on funding.
States can decide to just ignore federal law and get away with it, so long as it's not something the federal government is willing to fight for. For example, states legalize Marijuana essentially by deciding to just ignore the federal ban. The federal government doesn't care enough to send in their own anti-weed police or to pass legislation to force states to ban it again.
It even applies at the federal level. The executive branch can decide to just ignore SCOTUS and do their own thing. For example, SCOTUS ruled in favor of Native American's rights but Andrew Jackson ignored it and did the Trail of Tears anyway (he kicked tons of natives off their land with no shortage of human suffering and death along the way). The Legislative branch can fight against the Executive branch by withholding funding, but the Judicial branch doesn't have any such "stick".
It's rare that situations happen where branches fight against each other or states defy the federal government, but it's not unheaed of. It's all part of the checks and balances. In any case, it needs to stay within some realm of reasonableness in order to get buy-in from other government officials and the populace as a whole.
By all fucking means, do it, fash.
This lying & fuckery combined with the shit show that just occurred in Texas will give us a Federal trifecta in 2025 & then we will can start impeaching & incarcerating these corrupt & unqualified "justices".
Polling has been proven to be complete garbage since 2019. The GOP have caught the car & they are about to get pulled under the political tire.
Some trolling individual is going to use this precident to ban Viagra
How long is this nonsense going to last? Or are all the judges too young to fuck off and be replaced?