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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That feels contrived. Are we expected to form international policy based on social media buzz?

Edit to add: is not that the Biden administration is losing interest in supporting Ukraine, it's just that half of Congress is taking orders from someone who wants Putin to win.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

It's also real fuckin obvious that a lot of this solical media sentiment is manufactured. Just today I was browsing reddit discussions and if you dig through a great deal of these account's user history they're obviously troll accounts stirring shit. Sometimes it's insanely blatant because they know the vast majority of people will never look.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the end, it doesn't matter too much whether people support Ukraine. It's whether their governments support Ukraine. I doubt pulling back support for Ukraine will be a popular election tactic, especially in Europe.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Half the electorate are of below average intelligence. A quarter are outright stupid. Tell them that the money spent on Ukraine will go to schools or the health service, and the morons will believe it. They're easy prey for 'populists' who offer 'easy' solutions.

(Populist is a stupid word. What they promise may be popular, what they deliver is inevitably less popular than wiping your peehole with a dog turd)

It's tiresome, but it is what it is.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

"We send £350 million a week to the EU, let's fund our NHS instead"

Narrator: they did not fund the NHS

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But unlike in Russia, whether the western governments supports Ukraine is at least kind of dependent on wether the people support Ukraine. Pulling supports it might be a bad election tactic now (although it wasn't in Slovakia), but will it be one next year or in 2025?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago

When has the US pulled out of a war because it was unpopular? I mean sure, after 20 years or so, but we're at around 2? Also, this was has been massively profitable for US special interests and is a massive drain on Russia's resources without costing American lives.

Europe on the other hand is not really keen on letting Russia conquer territory in its direction, and that goes for both the populace and the governments.

This stalemate is the de facto "new normal" for the West, and it's not like the US is not used to fight forever wars. In the meantime, can Russia manufacture 5000 tanks every two years to keep up with the casualties?

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obviously, the current thing to support is Palestine now

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know if you've noticed, but people are getting bored of Israel already. The same horrible things happen, but it's no longer news, it's just more of the same.