a post about how many nazis remained in positions of power is made, the op is called a tankie and people defend the decision to keep nazis around
The people of NATO at it again
this post was submitted on 06 Oct 2023
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Oof, you weren't kidding.
The 3 who were high-up Nazis and were in their political positions due to being Nazis is definitely worse than Von Braun. I don't understand how you defend that. You're telling me they couldn't find 3 non-nazis to do that stuff, and that those Nazis had special experience due to trying to move politically up under fascism?
Von Braun is more understandable to defend out of ignorance, even if I disagree with it. He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.
He was also a good rocket scientist with actual technical knowledge, unlike the other 3 who were military guys on a side that lost the war. If you told me that you couldn't find a non-nazi who would be able to head a rocket program as well then I'd be more inclined to believe that.
He also should've never been the head of NASA, and his career advancement should've been capped so we don't see his name praised in history books. It's disrespectful to have a guy who definitely used concentration camp labour to be a well-known rocket scientist. Meanwhile nobody can name the nazi scientists the USSR took.
Not even getting to recruited Nazi torturers like Klaus Barbie used for Gladio shit.
Von Braun was a stone-cold, evil bastard monster who personally saw to the hangings of his slave workers, often right there on the spot if they pissed him off enough. It's a disgrace that he got to live a full life after the war.
He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.
It sounds like he was a Nazi, you don't get to join the SS, oversee slave labour camps and executions, and not be a Nazi. I don't think his motives mattered if he was willing to kill 20,000 people in his slave rocket factory. He should have been hanged, his expertise be damned.
I don't think the USSR would've hanged him if they got him first.
They'd probably treat him worse and not let him head any agency though. Which would be a better course of action.
The sad fact is that Marxist-Leninism allows a buildup of nationalist and ethnonationalist sentiment within their states, even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class.
What in the absolute fuck are these people on?
Oh right, v*ush
Literally the reason the USSR had a strong government over the Republics was to keep states like Georgia and Ukraine from becoming ethnonational fiefdoms, while sabotage and insurgency by the CIA stoked Nazism in Ukraine and all sorts of racial animosity in the Balkans, and we have seen the "fruit" of both efforts. The idea that the USSR was Russian supremacist is unhinged. Was there Russian chauvinism? Sure, but that is not the same thing.
even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class
Leftism is about cishet white men with hard hats. The more cishet white men with hard hats, the more leftist. 
To the current Russian state, the war in Ukraine is an attempt to rebuild the USSR under the banner of nationalism rather than socialism.
These are real posts, written by real libs.
Another despicable historical distortion going on in those comments is about the treaty of Versailles. American liberals like to go on about how it was so harsh that the rise of Nazism was a perfectly rational reaction. That's not only historically highly dubious – it was much less harsh than most anything the German Empire did to the losers of its wars (see Brest-Litovsk) – but it's also, like, only two degrees away from the stab-in-the-back myth (Dolchstoßlegende). That is to say: The Nazis liked to claim that the horrible economic state of the Republic was due to the "traitors" who gave up on WWI and signed the treaty, causing all of Germany's economic problems (never mind the Great Depression). No one should be agreeing with the Nazis on any part of that idea.
Good thing they defederated from Hexbear. Otherwise authoritarian misinformation and propaganda might have run wild on their trans friendly instance.
The morons in the comments who think the US was the deciding factor in WW2 are hardly better
Yup saying America's manufacturing ability is what turned the tide.
Literally "capitalism stopped hitler"
As everyone knows manufacturing didn’t exist in the USSR.
I pointed out to a lib and a conservative I know about how many important positions found themselves filled with Nazis and they both looked them up and said "But they say there were forced to (join the Nazis)"
If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it
Lol can you even imagine how fucking furious most of western intelligence had to have been in the 1940s to be forced to pretend to fight against the Nazis instead of linking arms and becoming the Jehovah's witnesses of door to door narcoterrorism, extradition and torture?
Unfortunately somewhat easy to imagine ever since I discovered Allen Dulles (former head of the CIA) actually helped shelter Nazis and offered them top protection from Nazi hunters.
EDIT: With one of the Nazis being literally Mengele. These are the people the government favors for agencies like the CIA.
Ironically it's just mostly Mormons now but yeah
If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it
I feel like Hitler was probably fucked no matter what because the execution of some of the very top Nazis was important for propaganda reasons, but if Hitler was caught and tried and killed, there are probably other high-ranking Nazis who would have been recruited (the kabuki theater being satisfied by killing others) and said just as you describe
Bro I'm still fucking waiting for someone to test the bones of some beloved local librarian in Uruguay and confirm Hitler died in 1982 surrounded by three generations of his loving family
yeah, Japan got off relatively easy (mostly because its wholesale destruction presented an economic opportunity to the US), but they still executed Tojo.
TIL burning down every building in Tokyo and 96% destruction of every permanent structure in the entire country is getting off lightly
I kinda agree with you though, China should have been allowed to turn Japan into a penal colony after what they did
Potentially up to 60 million wartime Chinese casualties, never even seen anybody in the west mention it in passing, even people that know about the unit 731 shit have no absolutely no idea the scale of what Japan inflicted upon China
one of them tries the "but they were scientists" angle, as though NATO chief of staff is somehow a scientific position doing lab research or something? .... and not, say, a position that is crucial for providing logistical, material, and financial support to right-wing terror networks of paramilitaries organized and activated to prevent the left from taking advantage of popularity over conservatism in recently liberated democratic countries delivered from from right wing fascists by leftist partisans and the red army.
also I'd really like to see these fuckers say Klaus Barbie and Reinhardt Gehlen were merely scientists.
Also the more clever among them will frequently try to conflate Paperclip (where the US enticed nazi scientists and helped them immigrate and gave them prominent positions) with Osoaviakhim (where the soviets kidnapped nazi scientists ) while ignoring Bloodstone (which actively sought out ideological nazis for western covert projects)
Yeah some dipshit already brought that one up, as if putting the head Nazi scientists and generals in charge of NASA and NATO is the same as forcing their scientists to work for the USSR as war reparations. Then some others in the thread cried whataboutism, lol
Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
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"Yeah we should have just killed every German! That would show those dumb Nazis!"
Damn if only there was a middle ground between execution and funneling Nazi elite into your highest echelons of power
It’s not the epic own they seem to think it is that they hear “German” and jump straight to “Nazi”. Insecurity much?
And also there were far too many Germans that should’ve stopped breathing permanently who continued occupying positions of power.
Everybody always wants to talk about operation paperclip ("we recruited the good nazis") absolutely nobody ever wants to talk about operation bloodstone (haha just kidding we went out of our way to make sure we recruited all the bad nazis too, and immediately placed them in the kind of intelligence roles with unchecked power and funding, the kind of shit most governments would refuse to ever acknowledge could even exist)
Nazi politicians produce nazi policies. Nazi scientists produce scientific research.
because science is historically apolitical and "research" produced by nazis/racists/etc is definitely known for being very objective......
Most Nazi science was ridiculous anyways. What beneficial knowledge is there in torturing twins and seeing which one dies faster?
is there any evidence that mengele's "experiments" were genuine science? like, what hypothesis was he testing? what sort of knowledge did he hope to produce? it really does just sound like a sadist indulging in the most evil fantasies he could think of.
You know when you see a thread full of people excited to justify the post war nazi collaboration, and also at the same time seem to think that the US alone won WW2, and to top it off are frantically posting about the tankies... idk dude it just doesn't feel great. I can't believe how much nazi apologia I've seen creeping up the past couple years, but the past month still feels like a fever dream
I've said it before but I think a lot about what leftists were doing in Germany in the 1930s because it seems like we're going to have to experience it ourselves
Remember your history, and hit twice as hard when your time comes
Fuck hitting things. If you don't own a gun, not reading theory isn't just a delightfully ironic meme, you actually need to sit tf down and learn some shit right now.