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Will the Ukraine war be the undoing for the European Union? (www.meer.com)

submitted 2 years ago by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/europe@lemmy.ml

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[–] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing. It's worrisome indeed. To me, there's also a relevant factor that weighted the wrong decisions by EU, and that's the perceived need to react agressively against Putin or "the Russians". I'm not saying that inaction would've been a solution. Just observing the fact that, for many reasons, there's an internalized xenophobia towards the east, and that played a long way into considering legitimate all military actions NATO has taken so far. This article is the first thing I see pointing to the fact that war involves two sides actively trying to destroy the other...

[–] NettoHikari@social.fossware.space -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, what an amazing counterpoint to a long and well reasoned argument you obviously read.

[+] NettoHikari@social.fossware.space -22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If the poster is from @lemmygrad.ml, I automatically know that I don't have to read it.

Also, I live in the EU, and ever since this whole ordeal began, solidarity has pretty much bound us all together even more.

There is a loud minority (like the people on your instance)... But that's pretty much it.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you genuinely think that Michael von der Schulenburg, who is the former UN Assistant Secretary-General, escaped East Germany in 1969, studied in Berlin, London and Paris and worked for over 34 years for the United Nations, and shortly the OSCE, in many countries in war or internal armed conflicts often involving fragile governments and armed non-state actors has nothing of interest to say on the subject then what else is there to say about you. 🤣

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, don't you understand? This person has the majority opinion! And as we all know, if a lot of people believe something, that automatically makes it true and moral. Solidarity (by agreeing with the status quo) is the only solution to problems!

Also, if a person disagrees with the status quo, the worst thing you could ever do is listen to what they have to say! It is the height of intellectualism to know you already have the capital T "Truth" and all others are automatically wrong!

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 years ago

😄

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 2 years ago

I mean sure, Europe has solidarity with Ukraine. Because Europe sure loves its fascists, in the past and today (Turkey, Ukraine, Italy, Hungary). No doubt Europe will always stand together to defend facists

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Solidarity with Ukrainian fascists? Considering how much Europe loved in the past and still seems to love fascists, this doesn’t surprise me one bit (Turkey, Hungary, Ukraine, Italy)

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