Better put up even more warning signs, instead of you know, actually restricting how many a person could be served.
this post was submitted on 06 Dec 2023
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walking home from a Panera in Florida
It was inevitable.
Too many kids in these comments going to bat for corporations. The future is lost.
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I would not expect the store brand lemonade to be jacked on caffeine.
Panera bread gonna kill people until you guys putting some respect on the name.
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What "charged"? I would expect Coke levels of caffeine, maybe a tad more. Not to be jacked up 14 times more.
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You say that like it's a certainty that means it's jacked levels lol. Everything's an extract these days, it signifies nothing.
You would have been better off saying the caffeine mg is given. But who walks around memorizing caffeine mg.
Are you going to sue the coffee bean producers as well when you drink too many cups and die?
Sounds simple but...
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Charged lemonade has 390 milligrams of caffeine. Coffee has 95. That is an insanely caffeinated beverage.
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There have been stores that haven't marked the lemonade as caffeinated.
People don't suspect lemonade as having caffeine let alone vastly more than a red bull (111 mg)
I just checked, and a 20 oz serving of “Charged Lemonade” contains 260mg of caffeine. For comparison, a 20 oz cup of Dunkin coffee contains 270mg.
I find it deeply concerning that a customer can buy this stuff without knowing it’s caffeinated, but it isn’t any more caffeinated than coffee.
That site says the Dunkin coffee you linked to “contains extreme levels of caffeine.”
A 20 Oz is a Venti at Starbucks as well. A venti latte has 170 mg. (data pulled from same site)
A Red Bull contains 80mg.
First, a latte is not comparable to a brewed coffee. Dunkin’s latte is above average at 250mg/20oz, but their Starbucks’ brewed coffee is actually substantially stronger, containing 410mg/20oz (!!!). Their blonde roast is sitting at 475mg/20oz.
Second, while Dunkin is above average in many regards, I wouldn’t call it particularly “extreme”. That terminology is a consequence of the objectives of the website. The figure you originally cited (95mg) is for a generic 8oz cup of coffee. Multiplying that by 2.5 yields 237.5mg/20oz, which isn’t all that much lower than Dunkin’s 270mg.
As you pointed out, energy drinks traditionally have a lower caffeine content than coffee. This is starting to change with newer offerings in the space, but I have no disagreement there.
Once again, the caffeine content of the lemonade isn’t the problem, but rather the insane number of reports of people buying it without knowing that it is caffeinated.
I had to look up what 20oz is in washing machines or whatever
It's 590 ml 😳
Who the fuck is buying coffees that size?!?
I dunno, but they aren’t drinking three of them and then dropping dead like they are at Panera.
To be fair, they generally advertise it as regular lemonade and market it with an unlimited refill deal. I've drank 3 green teas before while at a Starbucks over a few hours. These lemonades contain far more caffeine than a similar sized cup of coffee. This is the second death linked to it now.
It's not wild to think you might drink 3 refills of a lemonade during a visit to a restaurant, but it is unusual to think you might drink 3 times the maximum recommended dose of caffeine doing so.
Edit: back of the napkin math. 3 large lemonades = 12.3 cups of coffee.
Dude these lemonades have medically unsafe levels of caffeine.
Bartenders can't serve someone to death, restaurants can't serve unsafe food.
Your take is absurd. This is the second person to die from panera lemonades.
No, they don't. It has the same amount per ml as coffee. Caffeine in general is unsafe for people with heart conditions and other sensitivities.
Serving size is one lemonade, they offer refills, and the fda recommendation is 400mg caffeine, charged lemonades have up to 260mg. The concentration of caffeine has no impact on this because the fact is you are expected to drink at least one whole charged lemonade, that's a serving size. If you were to drink 20 oz of coffee, you'd be drinking medically significant amounts of caffeine as well, but most people don't do that in one sitting! And they have plenty of advance warning not to.
They will rightfully lose these wrongful death lawsuits, and simping for a corporation will do nothing to stop that. I doubt at this point it will have a significant impact on PR perception of companies or suing, especially in these spaces.
20oz of coffee is not "medically significant amounts" of caffeine. It's just a lot of caffeine. Dangerous levels are significantly higher. It wouldn't even be uncomfortable if you aren't particularly sensitive to caffeine.
The FDA doesn't say "if you drink more than 400mg of caffeine you will die," it says "taking under 400mg / day is not generally believed to be associated with ill effects for healthy adults." There is a stark difference between a threshold where a health agency is saying "everything under here is OK" (they would aim low to err on the side of caution) and a threshold where "everything above here is dangerous."
Medically significant ≠ immediately fatal
Try again, responding to the content of the comment this time.
"Medically significant" in this context means literally nothing except "a scary amount." It's not a scary amount, you're misinformed.
False. Try again.