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[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

This whole video is gibberish. It feels like a high budget version of one of those 4chan-inspired Anonymous V-for-Vendetta hype videos. I wonder how much money someone paid to get Sun Tzu quotes letterboxed over stock film real?

[–] Bobby_DROP_TABLES@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Really sick of seeing people call the HK protests a psyop. Any self-proclaimed leftist needs to support the people of Hong Kong's struggle to have the freedom to murder their pregnant wives and then flee to Thailand without being extradited.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hi, could you explain the reference here? Sounds like something I might want in my back pocket if I have to talk about this topic in real life.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Poon_Hiu-wing

Woman from Hong Kong is murdered by her boyfriend while they are in Taiwan, and her murderer flees back to Hong Kong. Authorities in Hong Kong don't have jurisdiction to charge him for the murder. They also didn't have an extradition treaty with Taiwan, nor to the mainland (he is from Shenzhen). So Hong Kong proposed a law that would allow them to extradite the murderer. This was cited as the main complaint of the protesters.

The law never passed. HK did have jurisdiction to get him for stealing some of the victim's money and stuff, but he walked free like a year after murdering her.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I vaguely remember this. Was the proposed law limited to in-person serious crimes like murder, or was it overly broad?

I can't imagine that many of the protesters were against prosecuting a murderer, but there are laws, and then there are laws.

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It was an extradition treaty. It would allow them to extradite criminals to Taiwan and the mainland, and vice versa. The protests were overwhelmingly white collar, for obvious reasons.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, silly promo videos aside, what is the difference between US psyops, Russian psyops, and China psyops?

Is there a reason why one deserves more derision than the others?

It seems like BAU for "great powers" to try to extend their influence beyond their borders to the benefit of their national interests.

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Scope and effectiveness I guess.

For example the big russian psyop that led to Trump getting elected turned out to be around 100k monthly in facebook ads this sounds like much but is not that manpower intensive and also like really cheap, this is of course assuming that this is what led to Trump winning which I somewhat doubt. This is the one big win but I'm sure there's a lot of others.

This is contrasted with US psyops, the National Endowment for Democracy gets a grant of around 130 millions per year. this one little arm of the US government has probably fifty times more money available than all of the russian psyops combined. So US psyops are much better funded and they are just more effective historically, the amount of CIA coups and psyops that the CIA themselves say they've done dwarf any other country.

This isn't even getting into what the effects actually are US psyops are often responsible for fascist coups or heightening ethnic tensions between groups to destabilize a country leading to horrible ethnic conflicts and this isn't limited to just a psyops they'll arm turkish fascist that do violence against kurds and back home there'll be concern but no condemnation of decades.

[–] Shinji_Ikari@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I saw a RadioFreeEurope article the other day called Bandera "Controversial" and using phrasing like "being accused of pogroms".

RFE, being a literal arm of the US federal governemt with millions in funding to put out history-erasing articles just like that daily.

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't want to do the whole leftist meme of a listing everything because the guy had like 5 answers already.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

List away, I'll get to them. :-)

[–] iie@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

heightening ethnic tensions between groups to destabilize a country

I would like to know more about this, do you have any examples?

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Michael Parenti's To Kill a Nation is about this process as it was ~~used~~ committed in Yugoslavia.

Essentially, Yugoslavia remained communist instead of surrendering to capitalism like it was "supposed" to, like the USSR and the rest of the Eastern block had. So the CIA began an intense propaganda campaign to turn the different nationalities living within the state against each other. The result was a horrific war, with ethnic cleansings committed by many groups, culminating in a brutal bombing campaign by NATO - the "defensive" alliance - and the splintering apart of a successful multinational socialist state.