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[–] 0x4E4F 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Yeah... they call it that cuz the same principle applies to vehicle engine cooling.

Air cooling is not as effective as water cooling, but just take a look at beetle engines made more than half a century ago, they're all air cooled and still up and running. It's all in the design, if it's good and overengineered, it will pracatically run forever.

Too bad nothing nowadays is meant to run more than 5 years.

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

they had a tendency to overheat in hot conditions, and when stuck in traffic. this is because they need a certain amount of air flowing in order to cool properly.

they also weren't very good for heat in the winter.

air cooling is a simpler system, and as such has less to go wrong with it. that doesn't make it better or worse. there are pros and cons to both systems.

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[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Air cooling is a lot less complex than water cooling, so there are fewer points of failure. If both can do the job, I'll pick reliability over efficiency every time.

[–] 0x4E4F 2 points 2 years ago

My thoughts exactly.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you genuinely think that those old engines are still running on original parts. Then I don't know what to say, because you wouldn't understand any of it.

[–] 0x4E4F 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Of course not, but they sure as hell require A LOT less maintenace than our "modern cars".

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[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Similarly it's actually easier to fuck up the design of a water cooler than an air cooling system. Notably motherboard warp can happen from an improperly set up water cooling.

[–] 0x4E4F 3 points 2 years ago

Didn't know this, thanks for the info 👍.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah but VW engines were pretty small, carrying pretty small cars.

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[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

Buy air cooler

Look inside

Water

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you live somewhere that's consistently 98-100% humidity: Air cooling is simultaneously liquid cooling.

[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And wheres that, in the occean?

[–] Fal@yiffit.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So basically, in the ocean then.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Another decade or two and you can lose the basically.

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago
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[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Personally I just like the lack of difficulty in air cooling. And air cooling can also be very quiet. I have a case with soundproofing inside, and my PSU and GPU fans only spin up when they get hot enough to justify it. The noise level is so low as to be imperceptible. My dog breathes louder.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You have my attention. Tell me more about your dog

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

  • His name is Sherlock.
  • He's a year old.
  • He weighs about 70 pounds/~32 kg.
  • He's a mix adopted from a local shelter. Google Lens calls him a Dutch Shepherd. Might have a little pit in him. Gonna get a DNA kit for him.
  • He has XXXL ears. Everyone comments on how oversized his ears are.
  • He gives the softest, sweetest kisses.
  • He does not like walks or new people or new places.
  • He loves other dogs.
  • He doesn't understand the cat. Or his boundaries.
  • He pooped in the car once.
  • If left to his own devices, he will eat all the grass in the yard. The concept of not eating too much fiber at once is one he can't digest.
  • Despite not loving new people, he does warm up to you fairly quick. It took 20 minutes of my in-laws being around before he got lovey dovey on them.
  • He doesn't like bones that much. He'd rather have a cloth toy he can pull apart thread by thread.
  • His two favorite places in the world are 1) Daycare, and 2) Wherever mom is sitting. I'm the spare lol
  • I wanted to name him Rye Bread because of the color of his coat. My sister in law has a dog named Tater and my brother's dog is named Biscuit so I thought going with the theme of carbs would be cute. But he responds to Sherlock and that just makes handling him a million times easier so we stuck with that.

Here he is peeping out the window with the aforementioned cat:

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

10/10 quality dog content

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Your wish is my command

But that's it. Not gonna overstay my welcome on this lol

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago

Oh my god he looks so much like my family's dog (rip Lady) some years back. Mix of German Shepherd, American pitbull and amstaff.

Take good care of Sherlock, he seems like a very special and good boy <3

[–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CPU AIO's are awesome, all the benefits of water cooling with none of the hassle.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I fully agree, except my Corsair Platinum was mega loud, until it died. They gave me an upgraded new one under warranty tho!

But I put a D15 in instead.

Edit: side note, the AIO cooled amazingly, worked for over three and a half years, and no liquid escaped. It just got janky.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you tell me more about your case and noise insulation? I've recently been unhappy with my PC's noise level and I'm looking for upgrades.

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the windowless version of the Fractal Design Define R5. The panels are all lined with padding to reduce noise. I have a single Noctua NF-F12 moving air through it. It's capable of spinning to 2,000 RPM if needed, but it never gets hot enough inside to ever spin faster than 1,200. Even at full speed, the fan is still very tolerably quiet. I only bought the ippc version because it wasn't brown and brown.

Also, the CPU is a 4790K cooled by a Noctua NH-U9B SE2. It's a 92mm cooler that fit nicely in my old "Optimus Prime we have at home" case. It has two fans on it that run at a constant 900 RPM. It does a great job keeping heat in check at stock clock, but I wouldn't trust it in an overclock situation on this CPU.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

4790k, one of the longest living processors out there. Still running one in one of our guest machines!

I use a Fractal Design Meshify C myself, and a Noctua D15. Whatever the quietest Corsair fans are, got five. It’s completely silent.

My partner has the same setup, but their machine is quite a bit louder. I think it’s cuz we went with that 35USD ninja… blade.. whatever cooler that people recommended for its similar performance to the D15, but 100 less. That thing is quite loud, though.

Before I redid my machine I was using an AIO, a nice Corsair platinum one, and three LL120s. MF was loud as shit. When the AIO spun up, I had to turn my volume up.

When I made all of my changes I DID also put a completely unnecessary 1KW Platinum PSU in there, which has a “fan doesn’t run” mode.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago

Well yes. It is. Liquid cooling does have merits. I won't say it's better than air cooling in a general sense; at the end of the day, the heat ends up in the air.

With liquid cooling, you can transport it further, use larger radiators.... The list goes on.

My key point is that as long as the components get cooled, who cares which you use? Do what you want.

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Water cooling at what kind of scale? Since you can engineer a system with the final heat exchanger to the environment stuck in a river. Is that air cooling with extra steps?

If we're talking PC's though, yes. You're right.

[–] funktion@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Some guy once built a geocooled system back in I think 2010, just to cool quad SLI 580s. He had some crazy 6-screen Sony FW900 setup with a fresnel lens.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Idk, needs more steps, put a Peltier in it, a heat exchanger with a second loop, and don't forget the compressor for extra chill.

And also make it so that the end radiator doesn't radiate heat into the air but into the ground instead, so that it won't be just air cooling with extra steps.

[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am not a gamer so my fans only spin up when the vents clog with dust or I am doing some high end rendering. I'd never do water cooling because a leak could kill everything. I have lived through floods.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Unless you're in a boat, in which case you're likely using a water to water heat exchanger.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Air cooling is just an intermediate product of nuclear fusion

[–] haych@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

AIO Liquid Coolers suck, good performance but they'll eventually get worse as water evaporate and they don't all offer proper ways to refill, a custom loop is far superior, but then custom loops are such big effort and cost.

I'll stick to my Hyper 212 Turbo.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Bought water cooler when I built it. That was five years ago. No problems so far.

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

Ground-source water-water heat pumps have entered the chat

[–] MucherBucher@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By extension, air cooling is global thermal mass cooling, which, by extension is radiative cooling, which by extension is universal entropy cooling or whatever you'd call that.

[–] helixdaunting@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

THERE IS, AS YET, INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks Multivac!

[–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, but if you can find an air-cooled VW bus that's still running in this decade they're probably asking $30k for it.

[–] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

My grandpa has a Vanagon but it's in kinda rough shape.

Body is pretty good but the interior is pretty much gone and it has electrical grimlins so it either starts and drives perfectly or just screams at you doesn't even attempt to start.

Super cool vehicle though.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And the ability to know where the heat is being dissipated too.

[–] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

And get more surface area to the air than you could with straight air cooling.

And control the temperature more acurately if desired through a thermostat.

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