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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why bother silencing them when the election will only have one outcome anyway?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Grieving widows blaming the Putie-Bear for their dead husbands making noise is the kind of thing that leads to internal dissent,

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, but we're talking about a guy who had no problem gassing his own people to end a hostage standoff, so I'm guessing any dissent out there he'll have no problem with putting down ruthlessly.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They’ve already had one (aborted) attempt at insurrection, and gassing grieving widows makes for a lot of noise, too

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly. It was aborted. And then the guy behind it was murdered. Putin doesn't care if he kills his own people. He would either shoot/gas everyone protesting or send them all to the front lines.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

He gassed them quietly. It's his mentality.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We all concentrate on putin, but even if he would be replaced things likely would continue in the same direction.

The scary thing is that 5-10 years from now we might have actually Russia attacking a NATO country, and it will test the alliance:

https://youtu.be/-BfpPVFP7cc

Many people doubt that this would happen, because Russia looks weak right now, but imagine if there was stalemate in Ukraine and Russia got some time to recover.

After that it would attack one of the Baltic states and successfully capture its capital, and before NATO will even respond, Russia will say "that's all what we wanted we don't plan to go further". Now (mostly Western European countries) might not want to get into a direct war with Russia and might let it slide. If that would happen it would basically erode NATO, because many of its members would start question what benefit they have for being members.

What sucks is that even if NATO would plan and would respond as it supposed to, if Russia would believe that this is the likely outcome they might still attack. So NATO needs to act and make clear that it won't get divided in such situation.

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[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The babushka and woman voice in russia is mostly supressed, but if there is protests, it is mostly the mothers and babushka that voice their protest more fearless. It was again visible during the demonstrations against the war in the first weeks. While some man do protest too, the mothers and elder woman feel more "invincible" while the male russian is mostly complicit of the state narrative because of the violence they can receive. Many russian protest in the past were started or hold up by russian (mostly older) woman. I think the reason is mostly that they do not fit into a righteous narrative of the state. Russian State TV is mostly right wing Police/Justice content showing bad people getting locked up. The famous cells inside the courtroom are to some degree a invention of the russian TV propaganda. Putting people behind iron bars does always look guilty on TV. Nobody feels sympathy for someone talking through iron bars. But it does not work for Babushkas. State TV could never show a old russian woman (or multiple thereof) like that and have the majority on their side. It would always look deeply inhumane to (even) russians from every generation, seeing their elders portrait like that. People would be outraged. Therefore older russian woman are more fearless in groups to state their protest, because they know the state can not (in general) beat them up like they do with male protesters. During the protest they had to carry them away one by one without first beating them down like they normally do. And I am sure the (young) male were more tortured by OMON Troops than the older russian woman - if at all. So paying the woman is a solution that works for russia and china and some other asian countries, where there is a deep rooted respect for elders and mothers that are able to state protests, that can only hardly be controlled by strong force when erupting. Better pay up before than risking the images.

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Russian grandmas and wives should take the money and protest anyway. Sounds like a great opportunity for a rogue propaganda campaign... Something like the following...

Option 1 - propaganda poster style

Option 2 - propaganda poster style

Option 3 - photo style

Option 4 - photo style

(All images created with bing image creator, prompt "Russian grandmother with russian government check and flaming wine bottle" some with "in the style of propaganda posters" appended.
Text made with google translate, english > russian, should say "I got mine. Time they got theirs.")

[–] uis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Informational autocracy needs good picture of unanimous support.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The memory hole must be fed.

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Kinda surprised they're giving payouts at all and not just suppressing them, considering that they've been skimping out on the payouts for KIA soldiers.

[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Take big sack of potato. My gift to you."

[–] uis@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Not Belarus

[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago
[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Take the money, flee, still shout as loud as possible about what is actually happening

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Good luck trying to flee from Russia. Doing so is a life risk in itself

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

For wives it is easier that to their husbands

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yeeaahh, when the latest poll recorded the lowest war support yet, I think it's a little too late for that. ~25% against is enough, that's going to be self-sustaining.

That's too many people getting tired of losing friends and family, and suffering economic impacts they personally experience. You can't convince them they're not experiencing what they're experiencing, it just doesn't work that way. They know bullshit is rampant in their system and nobody outside their personal circle should really be trusted.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Wonder how inflation is over there right now. They gotta be just printing money to pay for everything by now