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I've been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for a good few years now. Unfortunately I don't like the direction they seem to be heading.

I've also just ordered a new computer, so it seems like the best time to change over. While I'm sure it will start a heated debate, what variant would people recommend?

I'm not after a bleeding edge, do it all yourself OS it will be my daily driver, so don't want to have to get elbow deep in configs every 5 minutes. My default would be to go back to Debian. However, I know the steam deck is arch based. With steam developing proton so hard, is it worth the additional learning curve to change to arch, or something else?

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you like Ubuntu but don't like the direction it's going, you can try Mint. It's Ubuntu, but with the bad decisions reversed. Or use LMDE, which is Mint but Debian based.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ll +1 for LMDE here as well.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

Yep. LMDE, add the kisak-mesa PPA and use Steam Flatpak and you're off to the races

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just run Ubuntu on an old Mac for email and browsing.

Just curious, what are these bad directions?

[–] Platform27@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Some people like to rag onto Canonicals bad decisions. These include:

  1. Putting ads in the terminal
  2. Use of Affiliate links in the DE
  3. The forceful use of Snap
  4. The proprietary Snap infrastructure
  5. The feeling of being abandoned, in favour of the server market (lack of desktop innovation)
  6. Lens search, that allows company (eg: Amazon) tracking.
  7. Anti-privacy settings enabled, by default.
[–] Thjoth@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I didn't know about any of these, but terminal ads by itself would be enough to make me switch to something else. So would the affiliate links. Why would they think that's a good idea? Well, aside from money, obviously.

[–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you just answered your question

But the ads are just for Ubuntu pro, which is free for personal use so it’s more of a tip. And the Amazon part was to my knowledge just in the unity days. Not defending Canonical, just showing more of the picture

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I knew "ads in the terminal" was hard to believe for some reason. I'm guessing it's easily disabled too.

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[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

It doesn't really matter what distro you go with, just don't go with something like Debian Stable because of how old their packages are. You don't need a rolling release system, but you also don't want something too old because of performance reasons.

[–] million@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you are using flatpacks it would reduce the dependency on out of date system packages.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's fair.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I game on Arch, works great. Flatpak Steam, X11. 👍

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pop OS works great for me. It's Ubuntu minus snaps and imo some of the rough edges

[–] davidisgreat@lemmy.sedimentarymountains.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Plus it can support Nvidia out of the box.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good point. I had a lot of trouble with my Nvidia card before switching to pop os. I ended up switching to AMD anyhow, but the reason I even landed on pop os was this fact.

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[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've been using Nobara for some time now, and I've been successfully able to play on Nvidia & Wayland, so that's quite a feat in itself. Also, everything is setup at install time, so you don't have to setup many things yourself.

[–] AceSLS@ani.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are you not playing Windows games via wine/proton?

This issue is what stops me from switching to Wayland on my GTX 1080. It basically makes games unplayable because the frames get displayed out of order

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 4 points 2 years ago

This bug was the nail in the coffin on Nvidia for me and I finally picked up a 6700 XT to replace my 2080 this month...

But, when I was on my 2080 trying out Wayland, I of course always noticed this bug on actual apps themselves (such as my IDE...) but it didn't always manifest in games, at least not till 545 came out.

Not sure why, since of course most games are run through XWayland. Perhaps they're in a similar situation and I'd be curious if they opened something like Discord, if they saw it there.

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am a nobara user aswell, never encountered or heard about this issue

[–] AceSLS@ani.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Weird, it's definitely not fixed yet (just tried it on up to date Arch). I don't think Nobara included a fix for it, what Desktop environment and GPU are you using?

Edit: Also happens on nvidia-open drivers and with RTX 40xx cards, which is mentioned here

So if it really doesn't happen on your system in XWayland apps these people would probably be very interested in your setup

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[–] Potajito@feddit.ch 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Endevour os for me. No issues on kde nvidia and wayland, pretty straightforward installation. If I were you I'd do some distro hopping in the new PC. I'd try one of those ublue images, then nobara then endevour and see what you prefer.

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Big second for EndeavourOS. I loved Linux mint early in my distro adventures, but I had issues, sometimes steam wouldn’t launch. Sometimes my secondary monitor would lag out every minute or so. So I tried nobara, which was okay, but never fell in love with it.

Enter EndeavourOS. In over six months I’ve had one instance of a broken package hampering my experience. I keep a backup of important files on an external drive, so I just nuked it and reinstalled. I also use BTRFS and timeshift-autosnap, so if a package does create issues, now I can just boot to an older snapshot from grub and wait to update that package until the issue has cleared up.

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[–] AceSLS@ani.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Gaming on Wayland with Nvidia is straight up not enjoyable for games running through XWayland due to this bug. This affects all games running with Proton/Wine, Steam, Discord, Firefox without MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 environment variable and many more

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Endeavor is fine. But when it came to performance I had a number of issues. By default it put my i7 into power save. One could use core control to put it back into on demand or something more reasonable after every boot. Or go in and change the configs manually which I did. But that's still beyond people in general. Also for whatever reason if I had more than one app actively using the GPU. Say blender open using GPU, accelerated cycles etc. And another window open doing something with OpenGL and Vulcan. I would get the whole system hanging under x11. I'd have to drop to the terminal. And kill all of it off and restart it again. And not just isolated. It was heavily repeatable.

I ended up giving Garuda a try. CPU scheduler is much more same out of the box. Graphics card support under x11 and Wayland has been rock solid as well.

They're both arch. And it is all personal anecdotes on isolated systems. So make of it what you will. I like both systems though and actually have computers running both

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

Debian is exactly pike Ubuntu, with all bullshit ~~removed~~ never added

[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm currently struggling with Nobara and the growing amount of bugs with each new kernel update.

Otherwise I would have recommended that one, since it offers some great convenient features, like a graphical management tool for all sorts of Wine versions, which can be installed in parallel. The kernel supports fsync and is tuned for low latency. Game performance is decent and I also got all my games and launchers (native Linux and also Wine) working.

For the audio part, there is pipewire, which works like a charm. There is also a compatible flatpack for DSP/equalizer which I couldn't find it on Ubuntu's snap store: JamesDSP. Now, after some tuning, my rather flat-sounding headphones sound do super boomy.

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

What are the bugs thta you have been experiencing on nobara

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[–] Guenther_Amanita@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fedora Atomic, especially Bazzite.

Bazzite is a project of uBlue, which is Fedora Silverblue with a lot of gaming stuff on top, similar to Nobara or the tweaks on the Steam Deck.

It has the same big advantage of every other immutable distro, that you don't have to manage your system yourself. It updates without you noticing, will never break, you can easily roll back if something doesn't work as intended, and so on.

The cool thing is, that you can just rebase to another atomic variant if you don't like it, or when you realize, that every gaming distro is just as capable for gaming as every other conventional distro too.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Get the Garuda gaming edition and the only real learning curve is apt vs pacman.

[–] leekleak@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

+1 for that. It's a very friendly distro from what I've experienced

[–] OrderedChaos@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm currently experimenting with Garuda gnome. Pacman is frustrating for me. Games run incredibly smooth using proton I'm constantly amazed it's this good now. I keep waiting for something to break though.

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[–] S410@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use Arch + Gnome with VRR patches on my main PC.

It find it actually easier to use than e.g. fedora or ubuntu due to better documentation and way more available packages in the repos... With many, many more packages being in AUR!

By installing all the stuff commonly found on other distros (and which many consider bloat), you'll get basically the same thing as, well, any other distro. I have all the "bloat" like NetworkManager, Gnome, etc. which is known to work together very well and which tries to be smart and auto-configure a lot of stuff. Bloat it may be, but I am lazy~

Personally, I think it's better to stick to upstream distros whenever possible. For example Nobra, which is being recommended in this thread quite a lot, is maintained by a single person. In reality, it's not much more than regular Fedora with a couple of tweaks and optimizations. Vast majority of those one could do themselves on the upstream distro and avoid being dependent that one person. It is a single point of failure. after all.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly Arch (and the more pure Arch derivatives like Endeavour) is fantastic as long as things don't break, and I've never had anything break that wasn't more complicated than updating my mirror list or forcibly uninstalling a conflicting package. There's always the potential for something more serious to go wrong, but having the Arch wiki is such a fantastic resource.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Mint is based on Ubuntu, removing corporate shinanigans.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

Fedora or Nobara if you're lazy are a good option. If an immutable variant appeals, I have a good time on Kinoite. There is a gaming centric ublue version now too IIRC

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Realistically just use what you prefer. The differences between distros, even when it comes to performance, are very small when it comes to gaming. The most important things IMO are good Wayland support, stability, and consistent updates.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

I think PopOS is the best option if u have Nvidia graphics card

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I moved from Kubuntu to Endeavor (Arch-based) and was also afraid of bleeding edge stuff breaking all the time. I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised by how stable it is. The only couple issues I had was 1 bad kernel version and vmware update. I learned how to roll back and avoid upgrading these 2 packages for a couple weeks until the new versions of both fixed everything. I was also reluctant to learn a new package manager since I already know apt, but yay is arguably easier to use than apt. My gaming has been great, no issues.

[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Garuda or Chimera, depending on what you want, exactly.

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