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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the strong should control the weak, huh

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

When you try to be anarchist but just end up being the liberal strawman of your own ideology

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

anarchism is when you reinforce the state, and the more you reinforce it the more anarchisty it is, complete tosser

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Average anarchist activity /s

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago

Can't wait to hear this guy's take on the CCP and Best Korea.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago

"If you think about it, all humans migrated from somewhere in Africa so really everyone's a colonizer." smuglord

"Very interesting, please face the wall." xi-gun

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apparently he isn't an anarchist, which really just makes me more confused

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

maybe their profile pic the ukraine fascist flag and not the anarchy flag :o

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

there are literally only like 4 good twitter users in this whole country, fucking hell

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

all the good aussies are on hexbear

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

julian assange isn't on hexbear

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's literally just a NAFO guy. A lot of what he posts just seems like generic liberal.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

So a NATO leftist lmfao these people are too predictable.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anglo Saxons indigenous marginalized people?

I mean, circa 1100 AD, yeah.

But uh, like, time happens yah know.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

nah capitalist settler colonialism is distinct from primitive conquest and accumulation. all the Normans did was (mostly) kill the old nobility and knick their stuff. the saxons were just as the norman peasant or the dijonnais peasant, not a group targeted for dispossession & extermination.

this distinction was observed just within the island of Ireland. the normans took over ireland in the 12th century, same way they did england, but all that came of it were some administrative impositions, and different names on the nobles. in a few centuries, like their compatriots in England spoke English, they were speaking Irish. now in the 16th century, the synthesis of protestantism, a centralizing state, and a developing merchantilist/capitalist economic system drove a different sort of conquest of Ireland. no longer sharing a common religion, the english took all the land from the catholics (irish) & while happy to make them dirt-poor laborers, they systematically kept them from food & killed so many in the wars, the English lords found themselves lacking sufficient labor---thus came the settlers, Good Protestants who wouldn't rise up, who'd make common cause with the landlords against the indigenous, for fear of being driven off the stolen land

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was gonna say, it absolutely was

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is like when conservatives bring up the way the US used to treat Irish and Italian people.

Yes that was fucking awful, and I would be condemning it, IF I WAS FUCKING ALIVE IN THE 1700 AND 1800s! But yah know things fucking change and so do your priorities.

Edit: and it's extra funny when they turn around and are like "why do you still care about this thing that happened when your grandpa was in his 20s?" Oh idk maybe that's like still affecting the current fucking world???

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

It happened a long time ago and also, England isn't a French colony rn. They got it back.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

""Anarchists"" advocating for states and borders will never stop amusing me.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

A group of plucky young honkies managed to nearly wipe out multiple civilizations using only black powder guns and germ warfare

I'd say the United States of America deserves to control everything

[–] shath@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

is this guy implying the indigenous folk are colonisers

[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Might makes right but you wanna feel like the underdog at the same time

[–] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Casting off the Normal yoke is the highest calling for an Anglo-Saxon, so that bit is half right. Anglo-Saxons weren't an indigenous population to England though, that was the celts they themselves had displaced a few centuries prior.

[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That’s actually a common historical misunderstanding. Anglo-Saxons didn’t eradicate or exile the natives, they simply replaced their ruling class. And even then, Brythonic nobility were allowed to rule under them provided they swore fealty and adopted their customs. A lot of people don’t realize that ethnic cleansing is very resource intensive, and why would you waste perfectly good subjects/peasants (provided you aren’t brain-rotted by early modern nationalism or race theory)? It’s not like they had enough settlers to feasibly do it anyway.

This was pretty much the norm of the time for the migrations of various Germanic tribes west except the Anglo-Saxons were actually successful in imposing their languages on the natives rather than adopting the locals’ (as had happened with the Visigoths, Franks and Vandals), probably because Roman Britain was one of the less developed and populated provinces. It’s not even a loose theory: historical records show “English” lords with mixed or completely Romano-British names/titles and DNA testing shows most Englishmen are descended to the Stone Age people who came before the Celtic migrations.

I think this is important to point out because it’s the exact kind of misunderstanding Zionists exploit by claiming Arabs wiped out the entirety of the Middle East and North Africa, so Palestinians are ackchully foreign colonizers themselves. It’s the same story there: the language of Arab Muslims, either by sword or by conversion, was spread throughout pre-existing populations though not entirely (see Maghreb languages).

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good video showcasing this linguistically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHRTpEhaAs&t=1s

That and of course the Celts in question are mostly Brythonic speakers, who wrote in Latin and are mixed with Roman colonizers.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

didnt the celts also "displace" the previous, even more original population?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

Does this person know where the word "Welsh" comes from?

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The year is actaully 1023 not 2023, wow who knew

Also Arab tribes have always lived in the region, in fact large parts of modern Isreal and West Bank were part of the Nabatean Kingdom circa 200 BCE, also you know the Philistines, native people mentioned in the fuckin Bible

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

Yeah, but the philistines had bad takes about art, so they don’t count.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

Imagine my shock that the gleeful NAFO chud who rubs shoulders with the likes of Va*sh and Dylan Burns has absolute dogshit takes on (settler)colonialism.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Xi should nuke Australia, every single angloid is racist

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

Xi should help decolonize Australia.

[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Looks like they have some YT channel doing war gaming and anime. So they’re fash

[–] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Won't someone please consider the poor English.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Almost all settlers were oppressed or marginalized in the place they came from; why else would they take up the dangerous, violent life of settlement? That doesn't justify colonialism.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think that's entirely true, though obviously a version of it is overwhelmingly true for early Anglo-Australian history

[–] jack@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

While the ruling class of settlement projects are the same as the ruling class of the home country, the working class is often an extra-dispossessed section of the home country's working class. Jews were encouraged to settle Palestine because they were unwelcome in antisemetic Europe. Australia and the American colonies were both initially prison colonies to dispose of "excess" population in the metropole. Settler colonialism allows you take a troublesome, potentially radical segment of the working class and turn them into hyper-reactionary agents of empire. The two birds component of the system is what makes it so incredible appealing to imperialists.

[–] red_stapler@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is {redacted} sectarianism if I’m an anarchist? Asking for a friend.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

It's discouraged as lending itself to sectarianism, but you can't be sectarian to your own sect.