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The Biden administration has announced a proposal to “strengthen its Lead and Copper Rule that would require water systems to replace lead service lines within 10 years,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday.

According to the White House, more than 9.2 million American households connect to water through lead pipes and lead service lines and, due to “decades of inequitable infrastructure development and underinvestment,” many Americans are at risk of lead exposure.

“There is no safe level of exposure to lead, particularly for children, and eliminating lead exposure from the air, water, and homes is a crucial component of the Biden-Harris Administration’s historic commitment to advancing environmental justice,” the Biden administration said.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 84 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Flip your district blue in 18 years with this one weird trick!

[–] GombeenSysadmin@feddit.uk 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a greater threat to the republicans than gerrymandering is to the democrats!

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Huzzah! Another great move by the Biden administration that will probably be overlooked by most commenters, like his labor board appointments that led to the recent union resurgence were.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Those that purposely destroyed the water systems with cuts in Flint Michigan should have been quartered in a public square.

Sadly in reality they probably received bonuses and perks.

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A friend of mine was starting into a tirade a while back about how terrible it is that all water pipe installed in houses today is plastic even though we know BPAs are killing people. I suggested that they might be better than lead pipe. We still high five from time to time.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would rather DRINK LEAD then to not be allowed to call a black person the N WORD! I'm a NOT RACIST REPUBLICAN!

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[–] 7Sea_Sailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Just another day on which I as a European am absolutely shocked how shit the quality of life in the US is.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Europe has lead pipes as well, buddy.

They're perfectly safe as long as idiots don't change the water supply to one that's more acidic without buffering the pH.

Hell, England and Wales have nearly 3x more than the entire US.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That isn't perfectly safe. That is normally safe, but once in a while something will go wrong and they become unsafe.

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[–] ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (7 children)

We currently have the freedom to drink lead tainted water, can you say the same?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 66 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yes. 25% of domestic residences still use lead piping in the EU, compared to 10% in the US.

Europeans "Try Not To Talk Shit About Something You're Actually Worse About" Challenge:

Impossible.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But it feeeels like they should be better! Don't bring facts into the Europe self-suck contest

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Do they even have people in wheelchairs in Europe? Would really suck ass for those people if true.

[–] JanoRis@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That data is still from 2009 though, but sadly there doesn't seem to be a newer statistic. Since that time many changes were made to push for the removal of old lead piping in the EU.

Anyway the threshold for lead in drinking water in the EU is 10ug/L since 2013.
Since 2020 a regulation has been in effect with the goal to have less than 5 ug/L drinking water at the consumer until 2036 everywhere in the EU.
https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC125733

The US has a threshold of 15 ug/L.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/leadtoxicity/safety_standards.html#:~:text=EPA's%20action%20level%20for%20lead,systems%20is%2015%20%C2%B5g%2FL.

https://extension.psu.edu/lead-in-drinking-water

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Ha, checkmate Europe

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[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't even have pipes in Europe. You drink water that you squeeze out of your sheep's wool

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It’s worth noting that 9.2 million homes is an extremely small percentage of American homes and I’d say almost all of them are extremely rural homes or dying rural towns that just need relocated. Think of North Dakota as akin to the Siberian oblasts or northern Finland, neither get a lot of infrastructure care because no almost one is there. This is the Biden admin trying to look out for the little guy that’s been ignored the last century

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[–] Delta_V@midwest.social 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While we're digging shit up, lets lay some fiber.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This has the potential to save democracy itself. If we can hold out 30-50 years.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Amazing that this has not been done decades ago.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

To be completely fair, a layer builds up in the pipe which stops the lead being an issue unless you royally fuck up like Flint. That said, it still should've been fixed

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[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 37 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This has been often speculated as being the cause of the "Stupid American" stereotype. Good decision

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

This is great. 10 years seems long, but it is a huge project. Glad it will be started soon.

Edit: Aw shit. This is only a proposal. At least we are talking about it.

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[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Here you go.

"An initial estimate is that 25% of domestic dwellings in the EU have a lead pipe, either as a connection to the water main, or as part of the internal plumbing, or both, potentially putting 120 million people at risk from lead in drinking water within the EU. "

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

As of 14 years ago! And Europe has a lot of former communist countries that hasn't fully reached Western European standards yet.
Led has been illegal to use in many contexts for decades in EU, including water pipes, and for instance electrical wiring and soldering.

[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

At what level though and how was the lead content assessed?

High levels of lead has been illegal to use in US water systems since 1986. Regulations have gotten more and more strict since then. The EPA's current goal is ZERO lead, but we still have too much in the water.

It just doesn't appear to be that much better in the EU, if at all.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

Why suit man take my sweet water?

[–] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a hugely underrated win imo. We have no idea the damage lead is doing to us, we can only guess the damage in health problems is in the billions. Politicians usually don't give a shit about this so for Biden to do so is a big outstretched hand and big achievement

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[–] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

I know the GOP will hate this plan, and want people dumber.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can you imagine if this turns out to be the thing that was needed to calm you lot down?

In a major new study (conducted decades ago) it turns out that Lead in your water/food/air is bad for you

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Waiting for a Republican to call this a woke, gay, Chinese conspiracy or whatever.

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[–] ares35@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

my little town is replacing all the water mains.. when the streets above them need repair or rebuilding, along with the lines to customers where needed. they've done two streets in the last ten years, each about 8-10 blocks long. they've got a long ways to go. 10 years ain't nearly enough time unless someone is gonna pony-up a ton of cash.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

If almost guarantee the federal government will throw a couple billion at this, the local utilities will mismanage it, and the project will be completed in 2050 after another round or two of investment and maybe the army Corp of engineers taking over from bubba’s utility coop

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

They replaced the pipes in Flint in only a few years. Your city just isn't prioritizing the project.

Also, they're allocating $50b for it.

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[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Key word is "proposal", which will be used for the election. But will not be actually fought for, or if somehow makes it through will likely be gutted to give corps money and just retain the name. I am thinking it would be stopped just like all the bullshit was on technicalities that we never hear of except when shit that would help people is brought forward (the shit involving that stupid-ass parliamentarian a few years ago being a great example). And the mass public of liberals or otherwise the "um I really don't care about politics" folks will just remember it was mentioned at some point and assume it was done. Just another failure of our larger problem of mass amnesia. Similar to how so many idiots voted for Biden over Bernie because they thought they both were for Medicare for All, since Biden had stated multiple times that "healthcare is a right". Fuck him, his party, the Republicans, corpo media, and especially the capitalist ruling class that owns both parties!

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Sounds like he's a-Biden by safety regulations.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

TIL that America uses lead water pipes… WTF

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

America used lead water pipes

Lead pipes can last 100+ years

America is ~250 years old.

Lead pipes installed in early 1900s would still be functional today.

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[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 8 points 2 years ago

Only 9.2 millions? Not 40+?

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Watch as soon as he's out of office it gets put on hold

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 11 points 2 years ago

And it will be described as a Good Thing™

Trump saved us from losing our heritage! We grew off of lead pipes and those damn liberals were going to strip us of that!! Lol I hate that this is an actual possibility.

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