You should also include games missed in the last 17, since durability is an issue too
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That is all people should be focused on...there is real, demonstrable improvement from first 17 games to most recent 17 games and with an influx of playmakers like MHJ and maybe Bowers? I guarantee this much - Fields NEXT 17 games are going to blow away the first 17 games of either Maye or Williams and it won' be close.
You can’t give players unlimited time to grow though, in a not so distant future fields has to be paid and QBs get paid big money. If the guy you pay is not THE guy you end up with a Daniel Jones contract that severely puts your time in a bind. Even if Fields is just average it’s hard to put together an amazing team with an average guy on a big contract taking up such a large portion of cap space.
And the 17 after that he'll finally be good!
3.5 sacks a game?! I hope he has a long career( with the Bears or not), but that is going to impact his longevity immensely.
Only place he really needs to show improvement is his time to pass. It’s dead last in the league and it was his main issue coming into the NFL and it’s still his issue now. You can look at stats all you want, but they won’t always tell the whole story.
Yeah and that stat also just means he’s running a lot.
I mean, how many times do we seen him run backwards out of a pocket and avoid a sack to then throw the ball? Those are 6 second plays. (Generally) No one else avoids sacks this way. That stat needs a giant asterisk
He could literally just hit the check down most of those times.
Stop apologizing for him. We literally saw an undrafted rookie zip the ball around, not saying he’s a better qb, but he was certainly better at getting the ball out his hands. Same line as fields looked a lot better with a QB making quick decisions.
So yeah, put whatever asterisk you want on that stat, but what you said doesn’t do much to defend the fact his reading of the game has not improved.
This Justin fields convo has given too many people with no understanding of the game a voice
Oh yes, because you’re such an expert.
Oh so sorry, didn’t realize you were an expert here.
And fumbling, and getting the ball out quicker, and reading defenses, and throwing between the numbers, and keeping his eyes downfield....
We are seeing growth, and I think if we weren’t in a spot to pick first again, we might actually stick with him.
But it hasn’t been enough growth to justify passing on drafting a QB twice with high draft picks.
Which guy is worth taking though?
I think 17 games is an interesting and useful timeframe to track his stats. Would it be possible to break down passing vs rushing yards in future posts?
seems disingenuous to track his last 17 games but exclude the ones he was injured for. I know you say this isn't an endorsement either way but it's definitely skews towards a more favorable picture by ignoring availability.
What’s the point of using “total” stats for the last 17 games and just passing stats for the first 17? Gonna guess it’s because there isn’t a substantial improvement on the passing between the two.
Man the end of the season is gonna be civil war in this sub about the qb situation.
I’m not out on fields. If our d didn’t implode vs Detroit, Denver, and NOLA we’d be a playoff-seeded team rn
This post has been great at figuring out who to block. The name calling thrown at me for posting this is quite amazing.
You said you weren't arguing either way and proceeded to argue in favor of him the entire post. Block away, like anyone cares.
Buddy…..don’t get soft. You know where you are.
Fields ability to absorb sacks is my biggest complaint about him. Bagent having the lowest sack rate in 4 games shows that all those sacks are majority Justin’s fault.
You are right. It really highlighted the notion that the OL was actually doing much better, but Fields was causing many of his own sack problems.
Well Bagent also released the ball in like a second each play. But yes it was noticeably different. Fields will wait more for a long ball opportunity to open which may or may not. As for fumbles, hopefully if he addresses becoming stagnant in the pocket scanning and taking sacks, then fumbling will take care of itself.
I like this post. Regardless of anyone take on JF1 he has improved and that is not debatable.
This is such a misleading post. OP is so fraudulent. For last 17 he is using total yards and for first 17 he’s using passing yards.
In the last 17, Fields has 2,960 pass yards, 25 pass tds, 12ints, 5 fumbles lost, and 3.6 sacks per game. This is dogshit.
So much bitching about fumbles on this sub today. And 5 fumbles over 17 games is really nothing to worry about. Tua has 10 fumbles this year, Lamar has 5 and Josh Allen has 4. With 5-6 games remaining for each. Allen, Mahomes, Kyler, Hurts & Lawrence all had 5 or more fumbles in 2022. QBs with 12 ints or more in 2022: Dak, Cousins, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, Burrow.
What can we take from this information? His stats over his last 17 games are above average at worst and pretty good at best. He clearly has plenty of room to grow, especially if we can bring in a competent offensive staff. Turnovers are, against popular belief, NOT an issue for Justin. Sacks are the obvious area where he needs to improve.
49 fumbles is a lot. 3.5 sacks/game is a lot. One game over 300 yards is a little
49 fumbles lmao wtf are you even talking about
Going to have to pay him a lot of money if we extend him. I wanted to believe in him and hoped we could get the number 1 pick and trade down again, but it feels to me that he just hasn't been good enough.
How many wins did he have?