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[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

The whole setting is cope and seethe by commies about how based globalism is.

You can't talk to a person like this, what can you possibly say to someone who goes "I love bombing a country into perpetual poverty and exploitation where children listen to snuff radio and do drugs, thats so based" except how-compelling

[–] echognomics@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Damn those moralists and their checks notes good governance.

The entire game is set in a Moralist-controlled deindustrialised slum area where drug abuse is rampant, and almost everyone lives in abject poverty.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Also the large building that used to be full of thriving small businesses is destitute and nearly abandoned except the one dice maker lady. You can literally pick through the remains of the failure of capitalism that has left only a husk of itself behind.

And yeah, nearly every NPC in the game is living in poverty, is angry all the time, or has resigned themselves to quietly suffering

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The creative team are all Estonian leftists/Marxists who lived through the 1990s. It’s clearly what they draw on - the absolute devastation of global capitalism.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Damn those moralists and their checks notes good governance.

The Adults In The Room have Made The Hard Decisions and Got Shit Done hypersus

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They keep mentioning how Joyce and Kim are helpful to the player as representatives of liberalism, but Evrart and Measurehead are antagonists as representatives of socialism and fascism. And they're saying the devs accidentally made liberals seem more agreeable this way.

Yeah no shit the liberals are more polite to Harry, he's a cop. Evrart is trying to impede the investigation? No shit, Evrart is organizing a strike and you're some dumbass cop working with a lady who's on the board of directors of the company he's striking against.

And they're saying the devs screwed up by showing communists as murderers or ineffective? That's the point, that building communism is hard, mistakes are made, and Harry's bias as a dumbass alcoholic cop is going to color his perception of the world. I hate these libs so much. I thought liberals were supposed to be media savvy but they completely miss the point

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is on the devs for making the communism vision quest not mandatory, but the game literally has a character turn to the screen and monologue about how Communism is the only ideology that promises a better world is possible for each and every human being and that struggling for it is worth it even if you fail or are killed.

Meanwhile the fascism quest is all about how cope is destroying your life and ability to relate to other human beings, the moralism side quest has you fuck around with dumb bullshit that doesnt matter and almost gets you kidnapped by the state, and ultraliberalism is memes.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

spoilers just in case

All the political quests are Harry's methods of dealing with pain, with varying degrees of success. They're all cope. However the communist quest is the only one though where he tries dealing with his pain in a productive way, that is, he tries to remain optimistic and tries to at least understand other people. He comes across as goofy and arrogant when he says communist stuff, but that's to be expected.

He's an alcoholic cop who had amnesia and suddenly decided he's the reincarnation of Kras Masov. He's never read theory, never organized. His heart is in the right place but he's a dumbass.

The other quests are unhealthy ways of dealing with pain, especially fascism. Fascist Harry becomes a shell whose life revolves around racial hatred. It's the only quest where Kim will chew you out, beyond a professional capacity. He'll get sick of your shit and will berate you outside the church. Kim is the most patient man on Earth and the fascism quest has you betray even his trust.

The moralism stuff is just Harry trying to live in the memory of his marriage. Ultraliberal I interpreted as trying to ignore everything that's happening, compete dissociation. "This is good, actually" as an ideology.

[–] Graphite22@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

i like how they think the moralists or ultralibs or w/e faction they think they are is the best choice

the world around the player is in utter decay as a result of said factions

cant make this shit up lmao

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

the world around the player is in utter decay as a result of said factions

Gestures wildly at the real world and amerikkka

[–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These people played a game where every single time they said what they believed in they were mocked for it, and still came away thinking that it was based and neoliberalpilled.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They've rationalized it in a "My enemies got mad and lost their temper therefore I am vindicated" kind of way.

The fact that the game mocks their beliefs merely reinforces the enlightened status of those beliefs.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

That is a particularly annoying debate brained brainworms . Yes I will get angry at you for saying fascist things even if you say them politely.

norm-respectable moment.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Me, listening to the Sunday Friend: "yo this MF spittin"

"The Coalition believes in the importance of informing the public about the benefits of ze price stabilité. Transparency is one of our principles. Would you like an informational pamphlet?"

Me: Ahh yes, price stability.*

(Does not get it at all.)*

it's incredible. they're almost self aware

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

::: spoiler spoilers for disco Elysium These people are really claiming that the moralists are the best, most ethical faction when they're the ones who got martinaise to the point that children are doing drugs in the street, the entire district is incredibly impoverished, the local government completely collapsed so the union had to take over all administration and law enforcement duties, there are drunks and drug addicts everywhere and then sprinkled in with all the misery there's a few incredibly rich people who either don't give a shit about (or aren't even aware of) all the poverty around them all while the moralists still have guns pointed every section of the city and have it under military occupation (and we're actually told that they nuke martinaise two decades after the game ends or so in response to another revolution).

But apparently the communists are bad because the guy who killed a murderous PMC thug was a bitter, angry old man with a sniper rifle.

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Globalism

I'm torn on whether this person has a vibes-based vocabulary or is dogwhistling

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I think its just "oh u mad?" type vibes, the bad people talk about globalism therefore globalism is based now.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, in the late game you basically need Council Republic because the Investment Pool contributions get artificially nerfed the larger your GDP gets. And nerfed in such a way that the capitalists money just disappears into the void it doesn't recirculate. So you want to have as few capitalists as possible then. Capitalism so good it suffers from it's own success.

The problem with capitalism is that it makes the investment class too rich. This shows that capitalism is actually an extremely good system with no flaws. very-intelligent

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Moralism is still the best option". Someone didn't find out about the Archer...

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even if you never manage to find the Archer, the game beats you over the head with the idea that the Moralintern not only stands for nothing, but is willing to resort to insidious tactics to stand up for that nothing. And even if you manage to never pick up on those hints, the few representatives of the Moralintern that you're able to meet and speak with are parodies of your average dull-minded pro-austerity EU bureaucrats. I mean really, imagine declaring your full throated support for a parody of Mario Draghi, that the game openly mocks you for supporting sunday-friend

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it throws a wrench in things that Kim is a moralist. Not a die hard, but certainly loyal to his duties. And anyway, being a die hard would hardly make him a proper centrist. He stands for nothing aside from loyalty to the RCM.

[–] YuccaMan@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's what he says, sure, but it's implied at points that he harbors more sympathy for the communards than he lets on. I personally doubt that he'd be too upset about a second revolution, particulary considering that Harry's station captain is probably the one conspiring to bring it about.

From a quick look through the wiki, he seemed to hold some admiration for the revolutionaries when he was 10. He also had an affinity for Franconigerian Knights as a child. There’s no indication which side, if any, he blames for his parents deaths in the revolution, or even which side did it. I suppose both-sides-ing it and writing it off as “violence is bad” would be a very moralist stance. He considered himself a moralist in his 20’s and later simply resolved to be loyal to the RCM.

I think you’re correct that he would side with Captain Pryce during The Return, regardless of his previous political beliefs. His loyalty is such an incredibly strong trait, even when it’s to his detriment, that I don’t see him going any other way. And the RCM doesn’t have its roots in slave patrols like American cops, but instead in revolutionary militias. I don’t think this means ACAB doesn’t apply, but there’s more contradictions there than with most police forces in the imperial core.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

>it's r/neoliberal again

don't make me tap the sign

expandr/neoliberal was created by and is astroturfed by a fossil fuel think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute, as part of their "Neoliberal Project"

PPI has been around since 1989 and views itself as Bill Clinton's "idea mill" aka think tank. Why I call them a fossil fuel think tank is detailed here. They oppose climate action, defend fracking, and receive donations from Exxon Mobil.

it's safe to say that their upvotes are farmed, and their organic support is mostly bourgeois economics and political science majors and interns who hope to work for PPI or a similar think tank one day. It's basically a Neera Tanden farm.

The creator of r/neoliberal, Colin Mortimer, is the Director of the Center for New Liberalism at PPI, which seeks to "develop a salient identity around the center-left values that have increasingly come under fire in this age of populism."

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The whole setting is cope and seethe by commies about how based globalism is.

Imagine reading The Jakarta Method and come away with thinking it’s about how based ~~Sukarno~~ Suharto and the CIA are.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

A fascist is just a liberal who understands how the sausage is made.