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Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals. r/fakedisordercringe is another one of the "be normal debatebro-l" instances

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[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals

I have some friends who describe themselves as plural. I don't know very much about it, but that's okay. I listen to what people say, keep an open mind, and respond with respect. Other people's experiences of the world are different from mine and are equally important. :)

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

is there a decent explanation of that somewhere? i've only read that "multiple personalities isn't like how it's depicted in media" because of course it isn't, but then i've only ever encountered internet people presenting themselves as systems acting like that troll that was banned recently or like data in tng season 7's masks.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have some experience with two people who had DIS/multiple personalities and with the (non-)acceptance of psychiatrists and psychologists. One person might get a borderline disorder instead of DIS. At least Frank Putnam's MPD book has large stretches that are not good or factual or good science (and do sometimes lack patient centering) Edit: Read Huldra's comment about him, they highlight important consequences of his ideas.

I have a couple of theories of, but mostly it doesn't matter so much. What matters is how we want to interact with bodies that we recognize. We do ascribe to them a sense of continuity and permanence which obviously is wrong and yet not seldom useful. We do ascribe to them certain patterns of acceptable or estimated behavior, too. A clearly neurodivergent friend I have gets cut much more slack if he isn't finding the right tone of cultural civility, which is the right thing to do. Other people would get more scold for failing social cues.

What matters in interacting with DIS is that you yourself are still allowed boundaries and it isn't a failure not to get not communicated things. Though it is nice to talk to people as they want to be talked to, even if that varies.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We do ascribe to them a sense of continuity and permanence which obviously is wrong and yet not seldom useful.

i'm not sure how to parse this sentence

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You expect that people and their feelings and how you refer to them and how they act is more or less constant. That the Julia you talked to 5 minutes ago is roughly the same as the one you talk to now. That this is true for years, too. It is not true in general, but especially not if DIS people act very different (and not in the way of mania) from one moment to the next.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is not true in general,

sure it is, at least for acquaintances. we grow and change over time of course, but outside of trauma or radicalization that most people don't go through you're not going to observe those changes without being very close to someone. Trump is the same piece of shit he's always been for 50 years. my parents' neighbors are the same people with the same politics and general demeanor they had going back to my childhood (well, the ones who aren't dead or moved away).

various coworkers, classmates, sports teammates etc never exhibited radical change outside of normative ranges of mood, and my friend who has bpd or whatever kinda just has a wider range. when i've had occasion to bump into people again they're presenting the same way as they always did, give or take two trans people.

i reckon it's precisely the lack of this continuity that makes whatever dis/multiple whatever people seems scary or disturbing to neurotypicals.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

you're not going to observe those changes without being very close to someone.

That part doesn't feel right for both plenty neurodivergent and especially people with DIS or alike.

Though I agree that even plenty of neurodivergent are actually having a continuity which makes people feel in control (even if their mood swings are wide).