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I am hosting more than 10 services currently but only Nextcloud sends me errors periodically and only Nextcloud is super extremely painfully slow. I quit this sh*t. No more troubleshooting and optimization.

There are mainly 4 services in Nextcloud I'm using:

  • Files: as simple server for upload and download binaries
  • Calendar (with DAVx5): as sync server without web UI
  • Notes: simple note-taking
  • Network folder: mounted on Linux dolphin

Could you recommend me the alternatives for these? All services are supposed to be exposed by HTTPS, so authentication like login is needed. And I've tried note-taking apps like Joplin or trillium but couldn't like it.

Thanks in advance.

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[–] DIBSSB@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Me as well I don’t like nextcloud at all

Need something like synology drive but open source

[–] helmut72@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Notes: Memos

https://www.usememos.com/

Calendar: still Nextcloud (caldav is fast enough in nextcloud, even with sqlite) or SOGo

https://sogo.nu

Files: Owncloud OCIS (not the old PHP one)

https://owncloud.dev/ocis/

[–] Croatwink@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Did you try hosting it in a container? I've heard a lot of people had issues with dependencies, PHP, Apache until they moved to a container.

It doesn't solve the optimization though. That's still an issue for people I know who host nextcloud.

[–] BoKKeR111@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Trillium , file browser

[–] numblock699@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sadly there is no real alternative right now if you want anything close to what the cloud providers do. Synthing is the only thing I use that comes close to parts of it. Nextcloud is just a slow insecure mess.

[–] ChumpyCarvings@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Next cloud must be the worst piece of shit ever

I never stop seeing people complain about it :(

It sounds like the sync aspect was written by the crash plan folks.

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[–] mtx0@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Filebrowser for files, Trillium for notes

[–] lywyu@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Complaints seem to come mostly from people trying to run it on ARM, maybe NC isn't optimized for that architecture.

[–] valdearg@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not entirely convinced that NC is optimised at all!

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

It's not, it always runs like shit. And I say that lovingly

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] viktormadarasz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Just came to say I self host baikal too for calendar and address book / tasks

use DavX on my Android phone to keep it in sync and thunderbird on the computer

[–] public-snowplow@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Is there something better than DAVx5? It seems to be too battery hungry compared to Google calendar.

[–] ProbablePenguin@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It's the right choice, nextcloud is buggy af, the issue from years ago where it randomly corrupts files is still open too, I got hit by that one and had to completely restore from a backup.

[–] IgnaceMenace@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

IMO Joplin is a better idea for note taking

[–] pachirulis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I moved Nextcloud from k8s to a well provisioned lxc container and ran a couple of performance boosting commands and it's been working wonders since then

[–] thekubernaut@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

u/Sudden_Cheetah7530 We also use Nextcloud and deploy it on Kubernetes with our Open Source Nextcloud Operator and it works without any issues so far. I hope that helps you too

https://github.com/glasskube/operator

[–] billFoldDog@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
  • Files --> syncthing, or ssh access, or vpn to samba
  • Calendar --> I recommend radicale (but use google)
  • Notes --> Obsidian notes on top of syncthing
[–] greenvortex2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I've been a loyal owncloud and then nextcloud user but am growing disappointed in the nextcloud android app. It seems like support/development is quickly degrading. There's a file upload conflict big that was introduced in an update in September? and they still haven't rolled back or resolved the issue. https://github.com/nextcloud/android/issues/11974

[–] pcs3rd@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I use pydio cells for file sharing.

[–] Warm_Feature_7302@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I would have nothing but issues if I ran the docker app on unraid and used the sqlexpress built in. I switched over to CasaOS and use Mariasql and the nextcloud container on it and it has been solid.

[–] djbon2112@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Owncloud.

I personally never caught the Nextcloud hype, and stuck with the original. So far I've heard (and seen, having tried it twoce) nothing but trouble from Nextcloud while my Owncloud install continues to be rock solid for going on 10 years (regularly updated, of course!).

[–] natriusaut@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Dunno, running my nextcloud for a long time now, even updating the lazy way over the web UI and not the suggested CLI, not even once had a problem that was Nextclouds fault.

[–] Theon@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I personally never caught the Nextcloud hype

The "hype" being simply Nextcloud not being OwnCloud which turned proprietary, no?

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[–] Discommodian@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I always recommend OwnCloud. It even has a raw photo viewer plugin and if you know anything about RAW 24 megapixel photos, they are tough to load. But with owncloud a folder full of 30 pictures loads within 10-15 seconds

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[–] Charming-Molasses-22@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I use linuxserver.io's nextcloud docker image. While I've seen people struggle to setup Nextcloud properly to the point of just giving and installing the snap version of it, I can count the number of times I've needed to do manual interventions for nextcloud with LSIO's nextcloud image. It works like a charm.

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[–] frnkcg@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did you switch Nextcloud from SQLite to another database?

Other than that, chances are, whatever makes your Nextcloud install slow will also affect Seafile or whatever else you replace it with.

I spent some time with top and iotop debugging my server performance problems. I found an issue that was completely unrelated to Nextcloud. Since I fixed it my Nextcloud instance has been completely reliable.

I looked into Seafile as well but disliked that it stores my files in some weird block format.

[–] sbkg0002@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] kon_dev@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you are willing to consider commercial products, I can recommend Synology DiskStations (at least the plus series). Samba shares are quite easy to setup, you can use Synology Drive to sync a folder between workstations and Android phones which I use for Obsidian for note taking. They also have calendar options, but I use a hosted account at posteo for that.

If you want to stick to nextcloud but don't want to host it, you could consider Hetzner Storage Share. It's fully managed and worked great for me so far. But I only use it to share photos with others, so not all features.

[–] Firm-Customer6564@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sorge Hetzner Storage Share is what I now use as a "rock solid" Nextcloud. It's slow as fuck since I activated like all plugins but - hypothetically they let you run those small llms for a Local AI integration meaning you could do a lot for those few bucks.

However, long term, I having setup Nextcloud AIO and so far I did one upgrade without any issues. This Nextcloud could be fast - but is not slow running on 150gb RAM and 6 vCPUs. It would take more RAM if I give it more......but I have a full stack NC with Talk,ClamAV, Talk Record, .....

I like the look of filerun - but it's not free in the community edition anymore. So what I am looking into for a time but could not figure to setup is Pydio.

[–] ButterscotchFar1629@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Perhaps you need something to trigger the webcron so things don’t slow down to a crawl. I use uptime Kuma to trigger the webcron every five minutes and have never had any issues.

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