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I don’t get my poles gets so much hate. Yes, he chose Flus. However, I think people forget that was from a list of three guys provided to him by polien. All I know is he knows talent. Braxton jones, Darnell Wriggt, brisker, Gordon, Dexter, Bagent and more. He’s also got sweat, Moore, Edward’s, and Edmund’s. Also got Carolina’s first round. Dude can get and has gotten a solid team. Now we we need a coach to mold it.

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[–] jkman61494@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It’s actually a list of 2 cuz Quinn (wisely) pulled out from consideration. It was literally Flus or near 70 year old Caldwell.

[–] onemanwolfpack21@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He has acquited some good players. He has failed to match his players to his coaches

[–] ghosthiker@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

IMO Poles has done a reasonably good job so far, but it's been 2 years, and the first was an intentional choke job. You can't be great or terrible in that short of a period of time. I like that Poles clearly had a plan for how he was going to proceed, and he has largely followed that: tear the team down to the ground in the first year without committing to long term contracts. Sell everything you can. Year 2, start to replenish the talent, while giving Fields enough of a supporting cast so that 'lack of talent' cannot be used as an excuse while evaluating him. At the same time, he deferred a year in selecting a QB (from a class that was not nearly as highly regarded as this class is) while placing a bet that by trading with Carolina, he'd end up in a position to draft a QB this year if he needed to. That bet is currently paying off.
All that said, this was NEVER going to be a competitive team this year! The talent was so bad last year, this was always going to take at least 3 years to build back up. Right now, the Bears are still too thin at too many positions. They need at least one more solid off-season to genuinely compete for a playoff spot.

[–] Vesploogie@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He is, he was a big part in building the Chiefs.

Now if he could just do that here, that would be great.

[–] Er0ck619@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly I would just love an explanation at some point about what the fuck happened at the Center position. I got downvoted all off season when people kept saying it’s ok cause Whitehair was a pro bowler five fuckin years ago.

Plus his drafting has been mediocre. We’ve used a lot draft picks on secondary and most of them look like just bodies. A bunch of mediocre guys on this mediocre roster he’s building. Can’t scout talent unless it’s someone else proven star or a top ten pick.

This teams best players are still Pace holdovers two years later.

[–] ChaplnGrillSgt@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I think Poles should stay. Let him actually pick his coach without interference from Phillips. Poles, Cunningham get the final say with some input from Warren. Just those 3. We don't need Polian or anyone else. And definitely do not involve anyone from the McCaskeys family!

[–] rhj2020@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Poles lucked into the #1 pick last season. Made a good trade. That’s it. He’s missed on free agency, missed on the draft. How do you not draft Carter at 9? Had he signed offensive linemen in free agency he wouldn’t had to draft Wright. Who if we are being honest had one good season in college and has been just ok at the NFL level.

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[–] DaBearsFanFromIowa@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I’m simply ready for Warren to have his say. He needs to block out the Ownership and start the GM//Coach from scratch.

[–] Blackhawksfan981@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The only player that Poles drafted who I think can make the Pro Bowl in the future is Wright.

[–] TheMetabrandMan@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What he chooses to do with this coaching staff will define what people think about him.

[–] frank1934@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Just because all those players you mentioned are on our team, doesn’t mean they are good. You think they are good, a lot of people think they are not

[–] porkbellies37@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I remember seeing similar posts about Ryan Pace (and Emery for that matter). The trouble is, they are not scouts. It's great that they are very good at scouting, don't get me wrong, but they have to have a vision for the team and a long term plan for how to sustain success. Whiffing on coaching, or getting players who independently are very talented but don't complement each other, are set backs. Not having the right mix of leadership. Not having the support staff and support resources to enhance players' performance (tech, nutrition, facilities, psych staff, fitness staff, etc.) are set backs. Having a robust scouting and analytics apparatus... I could go on.

Scouting talent well is necessary, but its not sufficient. I wouldn't write off Poles as being successful at that other stuff, but he hasn't proven it yet.

[–] MikeandTheMangosteen@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Poles sucks. Next!

[–] UnitShot@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Just because you're a bears fan and know these guys' names doesn't make them good. Wright? You could also argue he passed on stroud and Carter. Traded for Claypool. Drafted velus.

[–] reddit4ne@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Ill give you Moore, Wright. But the rest, I dunno about.

Claypool disaster has to be mentioned. Jury's still out on Edmunds'. Still not sure letting Roquan go was smart (yeah yeah he didnt "fit" the system, but Eberflus and his system are outta here soon, sooo...)

Bagent??? What??? I mean I guess its nice we might have a mediocre backup QB, but thats not something to highligh on your resume.

[–] AfterMany7239@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I agree but he also fucked up with Roquan and Claypool

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