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Don't really have a take. These ghouls are discovering the Fediverse it looks like.

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[–] trabpukcip@hexbear.net 76 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, 1930s America had no food insecurity problems whatsoever

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

Nobody died in the great depression. Americans were immortal during that decade. I learned about this in high school.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hey Google, tell me about mortality rates during the Great Depression

Population health did not decline and indeed generally improved during the 4 years of the Great Depression, 1930–1933, with mortality decreasing for almost all ages, and life expectancy increasing by several years in males, females, whites, and nonwhites.

Gonna check that citation

:-|

Nobody ask what happened between 1933 and 1936, folks.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

huh, economy number went more gooder but people still died earlier? limmy-what

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For most age groups, mortality tended to peak during years of strong economic expansion (such as 1923, 1926, 1929, and 1936–1937).

jesus-christ

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Folks will shit on Animal Farm night and day, but its crazy that you can read an allegorical depiction of the Holodomor in a children's anti-communist parable from the 1940s that is more accurate than 95% of western straight-laced high school / college history accounts.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

i never bothered with animal farm. it has a famine in it?

Animal farm is really only interesting if you know about all of the obscure Trotskyist critiques of the USSR that informed that book.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

It has the pigs doing a communist revolution against farmers than making everything way better. This is supposed to prove communism bad for some reason. There is a plot twist where the communist pigs start copying the capitlaist farmers and everything gets much worse again. This again is supposed to prove comunism bad.

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God, the replies are awful. All Ukraine-flag liberals. This person would have gotten dragged on Mastodon two (2) years ago.

[–] oktherebuddy@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah I was scrolling the local feed of my instance and saw a NAFO fucker pop up, unbelievably. instant block.

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

There are so many of them now. And so many radlibs prop them up, the twitter escapers are exhausting.

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Like.... did anyone just not see that and wonder "why"? I guess most Imperial Core folks would just be like "yeah socialism is when evil so whatever" but how can folks who actually read that and think about it not have like one question.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago

read that

and think about it

I think I've found your mistake. We don't actually learn about any of this shit in school, we go straight from "D-Day murika good" to "cold war"

[–] 4zi@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because the average person has no idea what the famine is as it’s never taught and never brought up outside of “gommunism bad” so their only viewpoint on it is gommunism bad

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Most people assume the past was pretty much like things are today but with older tech. They don’t realize how deeply ingrained famine is to the human experience for thousands of years up until recent decades. In tsarist Russia in the 19th century there were 5-8 major famines that killed roughly 40 million people. In China, I recall seeing that for the 2,000 years until the Revolution, there was a major famine in at least one area on average once per year. When I’m tempted to think that life under feudalism actually sounds kinda nice, I recall how much famines suck (and medical technology). Famines happened a lot in the past, the Ukrainian famine was much more the historical norm. And it was the Soviets who ended famine within their borders after that (other than the famine right at the end of the war, but that was caused by the Nazis).

[–] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

I read her work gulag a few years ago and came out the otherside continuing on my happy little path to becoming a tankie or whatever

anticommunism is the root of fascism Annie, you keep at it, hitler is so proud

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mark Tauger's review of her book Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine : https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169438

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

From there, I've heard a claim of Anne that half of the Ukrainian farms there were blackboarded and thus blockaded of any food, a la U.S.A style.

Turns out that only a few hundred of tens of thousands of farms were as much, according to Mark Tauger...

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like how everything about her screams ghoul and libs are like, this is someone who's giving me an unbiased perspective of history.

[–] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

Hey "unbiased historian" how's it goin?

Johns Hopkins

Washington Post

Spectator

Evening Standard

Telegraph

yea

[–] Nationalgoatism@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

ANNE APPLEBAUM STAFF WRITER FOR THE ATLANTIC

To quote one of this websites great posters: The Atlantic are called that because they are reptilian fish people, not humans. Google innsmouth for more information about biological taxonomy

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Ffs, #holomodor is "trending" according to my server on Masto... with her post leading the pack.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

journa.host

Exactly the kind of stuff I expect

[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

SHUT THE FUCK UP JOURNO

[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Stalin sent activists...millions died

lol, lmao

[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago

anne assholebum

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Ukrainians on twitter were blaming Jews for the Holomodor yesterday. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Never trust anyone who self-identifies as a “historian” but whose background is in journalism. Not that academic historians are the only ones who can write about history, just that the people who don’t have that background who are trustworthy will always admit that upfront. Applebaum does everything she can to hide the fact that she is not an actual historian.

For her famine book, she just took what every Ukrainian historian told her about the famine uncritically and at face value, and repeated their bullshit. Her position and that of Ukrainian historians is so far against what even most mainstream, bourgeois understand as what happened, which is something along the lines of “the famine was naturally occurring; some Soviet policies likely made things worse but there was some intentional acts of sabotage are the part of the kulaks. Stalin may have dismissed early reports of famine and hardship but once Soviet leadership realized what was happening they took steps to alleviate it as best they could (but there was famine in other places going on at the same time so they could only do so much). Even Robert fucking Conquest says it wasn’t some intentional plot on the part of Stalin.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

This is Big Spoon erasure angery