The Mark Steel Revolution is a series of lectures from the late 90's that were broadcasted on BBC Radio 4. The first one deals with the French Revolution.
I saw the extended stand up show version, and it's really good on both details and analysis. Pretty sure I've never heard a bad take from Mark, he researches everything he talks about in immaculate detail.
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Liberals don't even like the stories of liberal revolutionaries overthrowing monarchs, because all they know is the status quo. If they lived 300 years ago they absolutely would have been monarchists
I'll tell you one thing, its definitely not Assassin's Creed Unity. The message of the game is that believing in anything is bad, because extremist do things like kill. It does this without any sense of irony that the name of the series is literally Assassin's Creed
I love how the Assassins and Templars have this millenia long conflict with no discernable ideology lol
In the Ezio games there was an interesting subplot in the puzzle minigames about the Templars inventing capitalism because relying on monarchs and aristocrats was getting them killed more often than not, the puzzle game even brought up the Bretton Woods Conference and made Keynes a templar, which really tickled me
Of course this was all the work of whatever crypto-trot was in charge of designing the minigames and the thread was never picked up in subsequent Creed games
Secretly, the conference was a cover for a meeting between the economic agents of the Templar Order, including John Maynard Keynes and Harry Dexter White. On the last day of the conference, a speech was given to Abstergo Industries employees, economists, and world leaders, mentioning the formation of the "Plan" by Henry Ford and Ransom Eli Olds in 1910 and the threat presented by the communist system, as well as the efforts of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin to create the "turmoil and fear necessary" for the implementation of the new economic system, capitalism.
Joseph Stalin doing a false flag to better establish capitalism as a dominant ideology
I have searched so hard for any documentaries or fiction set in the revolution that are not reactionary. Hope people have had better luck than I. It is maddening that the most famous cultural touchstones of the event are Tale of Two Cities and Scarlet Pimpernel
I'm uncultured but I heard Dickens was pretty progressive no? Like, socialist sympathies at least
I like Dickens quite a lot. However he is a Brit and was a lib. Dickens' personal history is very tragic and his trauma over child labor encouraged much of his work. A Christmas Carol was written to bring the findings of an investigation into labor in England to the British middle class and essentially shame them. He originally wanted it to be more of a polemic called "'An Appeal to the People of England on behalf of the Poor Man’s Child", but realized that a story could do more. Writing
rest assured that when you know [it], and see what I do, and where and how, you will certainly feel that a sledge-hammer has come down with twenty times the force — twenty thousand times the force I could exert by following out my first idea. Even so recently as when I wrote to you the other day I had not contemplated the means I shall now, please God, use. But they have been suggested to me; and I have girded myself for their seizure— as you shall see in due time.
However as progressive as he was, Dickens was still very anti-revolution. He did not really view injustices like slavery, wage or chattel, as part of a larger evil, but rather as social moral failings. Dickens said he read Carlyle's history of the Revolution 500 times as his basis for Tale of Two Cities. A book by a Brit and very anti-Jacobin though also utterly anti ancien regime which Dickens was as well. French historians took their time to really approach the era again and when they did history had become a much more professional field, so even the more critical ones are much better as histories than Carlyle's. Not that Carlyle was unbearably bad, Marx and Engels favored him to the rest of British writers
Marx identified the literary as well as the political representatives of the English bourgeoisie as Pecksniffs in an assessment of the work of Thomas Carlyle written with Engels in 1850. Carlyle’s style, they argue, ‘is at one with his ideas. It is a direct violent reaction against the modern English Pecksniffery [‘Pecksniff-stil’] …whose circumspect verbosity and vague, sentimentally moral tediousness has spread…to the whole of English literature’. Carlyle, and by implication Dickens, are exceptions to, and critics of, the bourgeois discursive norm.
It is just that he viewed history as epic poetry, not science. Plus he disliked democracy so there's that.
For Dickens the revolution was inevitable cause the aristocracy wouldn't ease up and be compassionate, and he was warning the English that they would suffer the same fate. So there is a class analysis there, it is just not a dialectical one, it ignores the processes of history and the conflict between absolute monarchism and emergent capitalism as well as the historically progressive nature of the Jacobins. Dickens did become soured on reformism after '48, but he was never really pro-revolution.
Interesting paper on all this, though more focused on Marx and Engels' adoption of metaphors and rhetoric. https://academic.oup.com/hwj/article/65/1/1/640507
also one I only read part of on British literature and the revolution https://eprints.ncl.ac.uk/file_store/production/56179/7CC434AE-5845-4850-8A4B-C52268FB6D90.pdf
I liked the one with Kirsten Dunst about Marie Antoinette. It paints her as a victim, which she absolutely was not (at least entirely), but it also shows how fucked up the French monarchs were and how they really had it coming. It’s a lib movie but I found it entertaining.
But yeah, we are generally not allowed to imagine successful revolutions or things actually changing (unless the revolutions/changes are being led by slaveowners).
She was not even a little bit a victim. She was literally the political leader of the faction of government opposing the King from the Right. She was the French Revolutionary equivalent of the Black Hundreds.
The Sofia Copola movie is about how actually the ennui of rich white ladies is horror like none other, like 50% of Sofia Copolas works.