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[–] axont@hexbear.net 118 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh this has got to be why he's so prissy about the words gusano and cracker. I swear he's convinced half of reddit that cracker is an unspeakable slur

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (22 children)

Going to bat for "cracker" is really a bad fight for the left to pick. There is nothing to gain, and people who aren't terminally online will say "you're carefully litigating whether 'moron' is cool, but you're OK with insulting someone's skin color?"

But most importantly, there's nothing to gain.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think the right knows they're being silly when they act offended by "cracker", and so does everybody else. When I was a dumb highschool kid I recall having a conversation with one of my dumb kid friends about this, and laughing at the word "cracker" because how could it possibly be offensive to us white people? It signifies no shame or perceived lower status, unlike other slurs. Libs get this even if they pretend not to.

edit: just to add, I think all you need to do is point out that anybody pretending to be offended by cracker is really just mad they're not allowed to use actual offensive slurs, not at the word "cracker"

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

If some chud tries to equate cracker with the n-word that's a fight worth having: persuadable people instinctively know we're right and you can educate people by explaining why. There is actually something to gain there, because the reason is basically structural racism, a topic most people do not adequately understand, much less confront.

What's silly is insisting that a term insulting one's skin color isn't racist at all. You get nothing out of that fight you don't already get out of "of course cracker isn't anywhere near as bad as the n-word," but now most people are thinking "I don't know, ripping on someone's skin color seems pretty racist to me."

Picking your battles is good, actually.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

All actual racism is structural. If you argue that a group that experiences no disadvantage based on their skin color can be insulted in a racist way, you're already lending legitimacy to the myth of "anti-white racism" being a thing, or at the very least remain stuck in a liberal misunderstanding of racism as an individual's character flaw that leads to them acting in an uncivil way, not a part of a society-spanning system of exerting power and creating permanent underclasses along racialized lines. Any and all debate around the word cracker is always a debate about the first part of your post, and if it doesn't arrive there, that's a failure to frame the debate correctly and steer it towards highlighting how racism actually works.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The vast majority of English speakers use "racism" to mean "prejudice or hate based on race," which covers a lot more ground than structural racism. There isn't a great reason to try and redefine racism to exclusively mean structural racism, either, because individual prejudice based on skin color is bad, too.

When people see prejudice based on skin color, the response shouldn't be "whoa whoa whoa, maybe this is OK, depending on who has power here." The response should be that prejudice based on skin color is bad in any situation, but is especially harmful where the group exercising that prejudice has structural power to hurt the target group. Some types of prejudice being worse than others does not mean there is an excusable form of prejudice. It definitely doesn't mean that the less harmful forms aren't prejudice at all.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Ah, more of the liberalism. You know there's structural racism, you know it is fundamentally different from this "prejudice based on skin color" nonsense, you know that people are not aware enough of that ignorance and like a liberal counterrevolutionary, you argue in favor of keeping them ignorant on this. Why? How fragile do you have to be to get insulted over the term cracker? I'm white myself, i've never felt the slightest bit insulted by the word. And unlike your privileged ass, i know what actual oppression is, what it means to be targeted by actual slurs. Your position is laughable and reactionary.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're right. There's nothing to gain because "Cracker" is too light hearted to have the intended effect. I propose we pivot to "Cum skin" instead.

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Going to bat for "cracker" is really a bad fight for the left to pick.

No.

Tailism and concern trolling about not offending whitey is weak liberal shit.

Are you even a leftist or do you just like le weed?

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[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's my people's word, I get to decide who can use it in my company and I give the pass to everyone (this is also the only real pass there is)

There's also nothing to gain by catering to people who get pissy about it, but making them angry is amusing

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[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Counterpoint, I am extremely white looking, with Italian and English ancestry, and cracker being a slur "against" me is the funniest concept ever. If anyone called it me in an earnest attempt to insult or hurt me, I'd probably be hurt only by laughing. Especially being from Florida where there was a running gag of Florida Crackers (a historical term/job description), being a semi-common joke slur used.

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[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

There is as much to be gained going to bat for 'cracker' as there is in any argument over bigotry being symmetrically applicable to both the oppressor and the oppressed. In a framework of white supremacism, which has been imposed onto the world by western cultural hegemony, all peoples are to be racially denigrated in favor of the "white race." This can be done by white or non-white people, but it can only be done to non-white people. One can be prejudiced against white people and can call them names, and that is a direct result of this system of racism, but it isn't a part of it

This concept is important for understanding any dynamic of oppression. Anti-white racism isn't possible because it's predicted on 'white' being anything other than the identity construct created solely to "be supreme." Misandry isn't possible under patriarchy because its concept of manhood is the same type of construct. Classist bigotry can not be applied against the ruling class for the same reason, 'cissie' can not be a slur, and so on

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cracker doesn't just mean white, it comes from "whip-cracker" and is essentially a term for white supremacists.

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[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

there's nothing to gain

"There's nothing to gain by attacking Israeli settlers" fedposting

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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

Ok kkkrackkker

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[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

says the guy who literally got banned off twitch for saying actual slurs all the time lol.

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 113 points 2 years ago (4 children)

anybody else kind of sick of hearing about this moron? can we update the Vaushpost rule to include Destinyposting?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 79 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I never learned who any of these YouTubers (?) are and I could not be more happy about that

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

im in the same boat as 420blazeit69 and ngl, its pretty great

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

I have never watched a destiny or vaush clip outside of the "FBI open up" meme

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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

Vaush is the radlib mutation of Destiny, I believe he got famous and got his start in Destiny’s discord and was sort of an off shoot

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

I somehow managed to miss everything Destiny posted until about a month ago. Suddenly I'm seeing him vouch for genocide, stand up for those poor oppressed super market chains, and other shitty stuff. My life was more serene when I only vaguely knew that guy's channel existed.

[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

destiny being a darling of the internet left for a hot minute after he outed jontron as a white supremacist was genuinely an isolating moment. dude loved him some ableist slurs, and instead of reflecting on it like the thoughtful guy he presented himself as he instead brought on some random autistic woman to "debate" why it's ok for him to say the R slur.

hearing praise for the guy while he made autistics his punching bag was awful. being told that even the most tolerant and accepting people still don't care about you, that the people who don't use any slurs still use you as a "woke" substitute, it made me realise the need for a specifically autistic left. it wasn't until destiny finally got tempbanned for his use of slurs that people became actually critical of him, but it took a while for left spaces online to actually stop calling everything disliked autistic.

[–] jabrd@hexbear.net 85 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No fucking way. That has to be a bit. She just refers to it as a plantation??

[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

technically anything that grows a cash crop is a plantation. If a sugar cane plantation had collective ownership it be a plantation co-op. Just like how it would be a farm co-op if it grew veggies.

The weird part is avoiding ownership and work. "we lived on a sugar can plantation" versus "we lived on our sugarcane plantation." Her talking about the quaint idyllic life of harvesting sugarcane ignoring the, potentially, hundreds of slaves that were actually doing the harvesting, also strange and weird and sus.

[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

also sugarcane is like a thick tree branch so ain't no way a 4-yr-old is harvesting anything with a sickle other than sprouts or leaves

[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also harvesting it is dangerous difficult work that nobody would want their kid to do anyway. We love our gusanos don't we folks

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[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago

Temporarily embarrassed slave owner

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

no wonder the dude is a landlord, it runs in the family

[–] huf@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

that evil fidel really fucked the family over, right? they lost their plantation and slaves and now they have to be rich landlords in the US

weep for what could've been

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago

Would you still love me if i was a worm?

No!

fidel-cool

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago

Today on "completely unsurprising news that confirms my existing biases"

[–] wax_worm_futures@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did someone say the magic word?

Busco compradores para mis gusanos

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago

@normfinkelstein there ya go ☝️

haha

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

This man just keeps racking up L after L. Him trying to speak for Latinos is cringe af when even David Pakman is more knowledgeable on the topic than him.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

His college story sounds sus too

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Here's my easy rhyme to find exiled reactionaries:

If over/under on the wall, family mad from loss of thrall

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