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Google is ‘crooked’ and a bully, CEO of Fortnite-maker Epic Games testifies in Play Store trial::Epic alleges that Google has been engaged in illegal price-gouging by collecting commissions ranging from 15% to 30% on in-app digital transactions.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 149 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, he's not incorrect, but there's that saying about rocks and glass houses.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's right.

"Don't decorate your glass house with polished rocks" or something.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Don't throw glass at your rock house."?

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Don't put your house of rocks in a glass.

[–] Deepus@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes thats part of it. The full saying is "Don't throw glass at your rock house, unless you want a glass moat."

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago

I think I've done all of these things in Minecraft at one point or another....

But a glass moat sounds freaking metal 🤘 lol

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh no! One terrible corporation is saying the other terrible corporation is terrible!

Let me play a very sad tune on this really tiny violin I found.

[–] Goronmon@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You might think Epic is a terrible corporation. But their ability to affect meaningful change on your daily life is effectively non-existent. Unless you are making a living being a Steam evangelist or something.

But Google has a massive amount of control over the internet. Between search, Android, Maps, ads, Gmail, etc. The level of "terribleness" they can approach vastly overshadows even the most evil stances Epic could take.

So, this "both sides are bad" take is a bit ridiculous.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

The magnitude may be different, but that just makes this a "kettle meet pot" situation instead of the reverse. It's still hypocrisy.

[–] mothattack@lemmy.ml 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Pot calls fellow pot black. 😝

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

the thing about that is, the kettle is black.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Projection is a thing Epic. Be less Republican.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Takes one to know one? Or something silly.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Their crooked bullies.

Our strategic entrepreneurs.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly believe google is breaking the law to maximize profits, but I also feel like this headline is designed to make it seem as though the people suing are just butthurt and that their primary complaint is that they don't like google personally and feel that their opinion as to whether google is kind and nice should be legally actionable.

[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You don't have to support Epic's ultimate goal of increasing their profit, to understand that the monopoly power this lawsuit is fighting is even worse. Apple and Google should not be able to gatekeep what kind of apps we get to use - any argument in favour of them basically boils down to "they let us avoid malicious apps" but you can have democratic orgs decide that instead of oligarchical cartels. And I don't necessarily mean the government, although government regulation would be a welcome move, I mean even more democratic:

In Finland, some of the largest grocery chains (think Walmart) are collectively, democratically owned - in other words, they operate in the same boring, stable, functional, and efficient manner as other grocery shops without being undemocratic(!). The average Finnish person has say in what products are being stocked, can be elected managers of stores, and the coop gives members 5% of their spending back (i.e. revenue sharing), among other things. [1] For reference, in the UK, we get a measly 1% back from grocery shop purchases, or from Amex with their cashback.

Sure, Epic won't give us this democratic org, but they do help us challenge the gatekeepers that are way more invested in working against giving us anything like this.

[1] https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2023/10/11/inside-the-walmart-of-finland/

[–] SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

Sure Timmy. Timmmmmmeeeeeyyyyyyy.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

No shit Sherlock. Every company is. How they make stupid cash monies.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney on Monday portrayed Google as a ruthless bully that resorts to shady tactics to protect a predatory payment system.

Sweeney’s more than two-hour stint on the witness stand in San Francisco came less than a week after Google CEO Sundar Pichai defended before the 10-member jury the way his company runs its Play Store for Android apps.

Much of Kravis’ his cross-examination appeared design to cast Sweeney as an executive primarily interested in bypassing a long-standing commission system to boost his video game company’s profits.

He attributed the disappointing response to Google machinations that made it a cumbersome process to do outside the Play Store and the use of pop-up “scare screens” warning of potential problems with the software.

Epic then filed antitrust lawsuits as part of what Sweeney framed as a crusade on behalf of all game makers as more play occurs on smartphones instead of consoles and PCs.

During his questioning of Sweeney, Google lawyer Kravis laid out the 30% commissions that Epic pays to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo for transactions on the PlayStation, Xbox and Switch consoles without complaint while still raking in billions of dollars in profit from those platforms.


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[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] filister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I believe they removed this from their company policy a couple of years ago.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes they did. I wonder why…

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is still in their code of conduct.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago

But it's still there.

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unlike on iOS, nobody forces them to use Google Play to distribute their app. Just don't use it. On iOS that's not an option, but here what's the problem?

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The problem is that they crushed the competition with a fairly good free product for years. Setting all alternatives back, then they started prioritizing revenue, slowly, over time. Now Google free to use products are part of our routine, part of our lives, and the alternatives are either paid, poorly developed or have a low user base. Do you have an alternative to YouTube that has the same amount of content? It was the same issue when we left Teddit, but at a much lower scale and that was still painful (and it still is)

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

And that has to do with being able to sideload how, exactly?

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

How did they crush f-droid? What did they do to set alternative app stores on Android back? We aren't talking about YouTube here, your entire comment is just making shit up about Android stores because you are bad about other parts of Google.