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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 249 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.

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[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 149 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

Ackchyually

Fever is not 100F. A fever is defined as 100.4F. Why 100.4 when 100 is a much easier to remember and handle number? Because fever is defined in humans as 38C, and that converts to 100.4F.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's been a while but I think they tried to establish 100F as the average human body temperature. But after they established that baseline turns out they were off by 1.4 degrees and couldn't change it.

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[–] DarkMessiah@lemmy.world 107 points 2 years ago

“Inches in 8.33 feet”

“Mm in a foot”

Fool, the scientist in me is infuriated. Good work, mate!

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 81 points 2 years ago

This is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen. Good job.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children)

wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?

Wow that's funny. I've seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.

I get that what you're not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.

From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45

[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called "January" where I live.

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago (12 children)

fuck BOTH these date formats.

ISO-8601 OR DIE.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26

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[–] Titou@feddit.de 39 points 2 years ago (6 children)

USA's measurment system dosn't make any senses.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shut up. If you don't know how many buckets there are to a hogshead, that's not our fault.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

That's medieval units for you. At least they use the same units in the whole country, which is progress compared to how it used to be in the rest of the medieval world. They just didn't take the last step to modernity.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

1776-07-04

Sorting algos all agree.

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hate how wrong, yet accurate that is.

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[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Lolz. It's funny because it's so stupid.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 23 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Tbh I don't really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying "July 4th, 1776" feels as natural as "the 4th of July, 1776". The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

People don't get upset about saying the date in whatever format. They get upset when you write it in that format without specifying, so that you don't know if 07/04/1776 is July 4th or April 7th.

[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love it when someone sends me a message like this:

Hey there! What are you doing on 4/5?

????

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[–] Eagle0600@yiffit.net 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.

[–] TQuid@beehaw.org 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ISO 8601 ALL DAY EVERY DAY BABY

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[–] MethodicalSpark@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

ISO 8601 for life.

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[–] Crimsonknee@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not about saying it. It has to do with ordering it by size of time unit. Like I don't write the time as 43:12:19 to denote 43 minutes and 19 seconds past midday do I.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If it’s about size of time unit surely it should be 2023/11/20?

[–] vind@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (7 children)

ISO8601 is the best format and the international standard to denote date and time.

2023-11-21T00:34:2

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[–] midori@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

The best date format is ISO 8601 anyways.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 years ago

ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.

[–] Tau@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

Because when usually dates formatted on number follow a descending or ascending order. Year -> Month -> Day or Day -> Month -> Year.

mm/dd/yyyy is:

-- Month <- Day | Year <-

It's not only strange but is also not easy to parse and can be confused with dd/mm/yyyy

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[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I think the two points missing from most debates are

  1. The imperial system does a damn good job at measuring things the way a human would. A foot is roughly the length of a big foot. A single degree farenheit is just big enough that you could guesstimate it with enough practice. If the temperatures are negative, you dump sand on the roads instead of salt.

  2. It's like seven units of measurement in a trenchant. You never have to convert gallons to cubic miles. You never have to convert from dots to angstoms, and nobody has ever had to convert the surveyors mile to the nautical mile. It feels schizophrenic because claiming it's one singular system is like saying Italian, French, and Portuguese languages are all regional dialects of Europeanese.

My point isn't "it's not a bug, it's a feature", I'm saying for the average non-scientist there may be a logical reason why we like it so much

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No no. The rest of the world is constantly out of sorts on what common measurements are. It's like how monolingual non-English-speaking people are constantly aware they're not speaking the natural language of English.

/s

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Another fucking imperial versus metric meme, never seen this before. Most of us use metric already, shut the fuck up

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[–] Thranduil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mother tell the children not to check the temps. Tell the children not to read my books what they mean what they say.

Sorry i read Danzig so I though of the band

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[–] EternalNicodemus@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER 😡😡😡😡

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

1776-07-04 gang

[–] Thaumiel@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Hard agree with metric for the most part. I forever stand by Fahrenheit for temperatures you experience, and Celsius for science. I don't want to have to use decimals in my everyday life, but that's just me

And really, K is the ideal temperature unit for scientific purposes, since there's actually a hard starting point, rather than picking an arbitrary state change at an arbitrary pressure of a kind of arbitrary compound.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Celcius. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100

Pretty good frame of reference

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[–] nameisnotimportant@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I don't want to use decimals in my everyday life

Don't you use decimals for prices already?

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[–] Fal@yiffit.net 13 points 2 years ago (27 children)

The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

[–] Slowy@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (41 children)

Kind of, but not really. 0F doesn’t mean anything special in relation to human interaction, it relates to the freezing point of some random salt and water mixture (not seawater). 32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use. The only part pertinent is that 100 is close to, but higher than human body temperature, but not quite where it counts as a fever… just the temperature of a sub-feverish human… how is that helpful! Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (21 children)

F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

Only because you grew up with it.

I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.

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