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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 112 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

So the article explains that official tournaments use a unique words list that contains a lot of generous words like "zzz" and "aa". Mostly intended to allow high scoring words for people who studied their list.

The company that maintains the list has added a lot more of these "not a real word but it scores high so we added it" words.

For some highlight words from the article: MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

Players are complaining that high level tournaments are basically going to be competitions for who knows the most gibberish from the tournament word list and it is alienating the general population from joining tournaments and scrabble clubs.

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 78 points 2 years ago (1 children)

MIREPOIXS, HORSEFEATHERSES, SUBSPECIESES, GRATINEEED

Did smeagol write this list?

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Truly, a win for mutant hobbits everywhere.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shouldn't the official word list just be the dictionary? Isn't that the point?

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 26 points 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure the tournaments are just memorising lists. A man won the French competition without being able to speak French... He just memorised the accepted words.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My horsie has featherses, silly hobbitses

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I’m amazed that they allow Zzz. It’s not really a word.

[–] sab@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, compared to some of those other ones it's perfectly cromulent. At least it means something.

[–] mjsaber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago

It truly embiggens the spirit of the game.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is "bam" a word? It seems like a word, but it's an onomatopoeia, just like zzz. Neither are very accurate to the sounds they make, and neither are truly words... I'd let someone play bam without thinking about it, so I could be convinced to allow zzz

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The 10x number of new words added compared to previous editions, and the nonsensical nature of so many of the new entries, says it has to be AI. There's no way some of those would make it past a human editor (except one lazily accepting everything the AI suggests as truth).

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I’m fine with adding slightly offensive words like ‘twat’ and ‘redneck’, but fake plurals like ‘feceses’ and ‘rouxes’ are absurd rules-lawyering.

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They added "za" (slang for "pizza"), which is a strategy-breaking change.

It makes the letter "z" soooo much more powerful.

[–] klemptor@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait hang on I've been using "za" for ages, was this not legal until now?

[–] fruitSnackSupreme@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] klemptor@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Ack I seem to have grown a penis too?! I'm a fraud!

[–] agissilver@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Za, lasagna. Pizza, sa.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Spazzing for double points!

[–] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well this is just a bunch of HORSEFEATHERSES

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

It would be like playing with Gollum.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I vote games like scrabble don't use made up words just because they can give you big points. In that case why not just allow your players to place down all their letters in any random order and call it legal? It scores more points, so why not, Big Scrabble?

Also, I'm also personally against the use of made up slang words that started appearing around the 2010s and are now in common use, or at least were in common use.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think the point is rather that all words are made up. For the record you have my vote as well. I don't want nonsense words to be a part of the game, especially at tournament level.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've considered when a word is no longer "made up".

There's always some enlightened centrist claptrap about "all words being made up", which I think even they know is pedantic and not really a solution.

Then you have the Websters who intentionally annoint words prematurely, I'm certain for marketings sake. Every year they get some free press about adding surprising words. I don't really know who buys dictionaries on a regular basis, but someone must, so they must want to appear modern and get some free advertising while they're at it. In Short, you have early adopters who want to appear hip, and that seems wrong, too.

Finally you have the hard-ass who doesn't want anything new added. In my experience these people just get off on gatekeeping and pearl clutching. They don't think that slang is worthy and they want to be part of the ingroup who decides which words are "real". In these peoples opinion, if they're being consistent, words like "legit" shouldn't be a word, it's just slang for legitimate. So that seems wrong.

I think the only answer is perhaps time. I feel like a word needs to live as long as the average person before becoming "official" (whatever that means). Like, who knows if in 79 years "bussin" will still be a usable word. But then again, useable by whom? If the issue with slang is that it's too new and therefor only understood by a narrow group of people, can't the same complaint can be applied to highbrow difficult words that are only understood by the overeducated? Or technical words in niche areas of understanding? Can you really say that more people can define metempsychosis, or kentledge, than can define edgelord, or doggo?

But even my time argument fails. Because what's the harm in adding words? We aren't bound by any space limitations or something. We don't run out of "word slots" and once they're all used we're stuck forever.

Long story short, I don't know what the answer is. But I do know that horsefeatherses isn't a word.

[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Well, my opinion that scrabble is one of the worst games ever made is now solidified.

[–] 0x4E4F 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So the group re-added words such as SPAZ, GOY, REDNECK, GREYBEARD, and TWAT.

Great, he's back...

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would you ever remove twat? Twat is a great word, which I can only hear in Con O'Neill's voice from Our Flag Means Death.

[–] 0x4E4F 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Allegedly, it offends people.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only people it offends are twats

[–] 0x4E4F 2 points 2 years ago

Well, there seems to be a lot of them...

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Scrabble is dumb because it's all about memorizing high scoring words from a list. As I recall, the guy who won the French Scrabble championships never even knew how to speak French.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Never had this problem playing UpWords

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

No much, what up wit you?

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Similar. It's a smaller board than scrabble and you can stack letters on top of existing.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Haha I respect the responsible response. Sounds fun!

[–] livus@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I would actually play that. We would need the letters to be printed on the inside of clear resin cubes so that you can still see all the letters in a stack.

[–] DeadlineX@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Some of these additions are just silliness. That said, I could barely make it through the article, as it kept just randomly starting a new sentence halfway through a thought.

It also referenced somebody, but then didn’t finish the sentence before moving on to talk about someone else. I have been annoyed by all the “this article was written by an ai” comments I’ve been seeing lately. Having read this article I see what people mean.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago

I am stunned! Stunned, I say!