But they still won't be able to remove all of the baked-in spyware.
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2023
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Try Ubuntu, you can uninstall the baked in spyware
Moving to an entirely different operating system is a big step just to... end up with closed, proprietary software and spyware again.
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Time for Ubuntu to ship with a mandatory Edge installation
Donβt give them any ideas
meanwhile, me on Arch: yay -S microsoft-edge-stable-bin
Yeah, as if Arch was not bleeding edge enough.
People have already proven they will put up with about anything Microsoft throws at them, so they were never going to switch anyway.
Also you still can't uninstall the bootloader under windows.π
Yeah people will download a patched windows iso, go through an extremely complicated install process to have everything the way they want, flip a few bits in windows with some shady ass tool and give up updates instead of just using linux.
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I'm not really concerned about getting more people to use Linux. Am I the only one?
As a person who cares about the gaming ecosystem, I think it would be really healthy for Microsoft to not have full market dominance.
They're busy making studio acquisitions which are gradually centralizing the market, which could become very problematic if they start taking anticompetitive approaches to distribution.
More people on Linux means more pressure for software availability on Linux, and if people can just move over relatively easily that prevents Microsoft from going full corpo-digital-prison-hellscape.
I feel like I don't really care what my peers use, or what people in general use, but the more adoption linux desktop gets, the more people getting involved in community projects there are, as well as more bug reports and the like, so the sooner things get improved upon and the better they become.
Also more about being mainstream. I'm being forced to use proprietary centralised locked down platforms because others demand it. Free software going mainstream is one of my aims
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I care because by not using linux there is money going to microsoft or apple hands, which are not very friendly to user rights.
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Lets be honest, people don't switch to Linux because it's better, we switch because of the cute pinguin mascot !
And because it's free in many ways.
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It's going to be one of those things where someone is either going to switch to Linux or they're not. Most people will take convenience over privacy.
Honestly, Windows isn't even that much more convenient. It's just what people are used to.
Now that I'm used to Linux Windows makes me pull my hair out.
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Funny. For me switching to Linux was actually a convenience and aesthetics over privacy ngl.
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Who gives a shit what other people use?
Too many Linux users do, unfortinuately.
Windows is made by a company that would make this change in some countries but not all countries. We are not free until we are all free. Some operating systems guarantee that. Others do not.
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It's a little naive to think that this was an incentive to use Linux for ppl in the first place.
Overnight, millions will suddenly somehow become European.
I wonder if they will try IP based Geo enforcement? How long do you think before Rufus allows flipping the bit to force this globally on install?
No. A lot of people simply don't care about their browser enough to take any action, let alone to bypass geo-restrictions.
The people who do care have already switched to Linux.
Idk, the whole "Megacorp is forced to do reasonable thing, but will still only do so in regions where the law applies" should further encourage people to move away from all their crap.
Don't worry, there's still plenty of reasons Windows sucks and they'll only make it worse.
Shouldnβt the same be applied to MacOS? There are a myriad of stupid apps impossible to uninstall. Maybe even safari
While you canβt uninstall Safari, it doesnβt constantly discourage you to use other browsers like Edge does. Nor does Mac OS prevents you from installing competing apps.
The bigger problem is iOS, but the EU already took care of that and weβll be able to sideload apps on iOS pretty soon.
Does Mac prohibit other browser engines like they do on iOS?
Doesn't do a lot of good, that they let you use other browsers if they are just reskins for Safari.
MacOS is actually far more open to low level system UI tweaks and app support than windows.
They do not.
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"Oh man, I'd love to use Linux because then I wouldn't have to have Edge installed!" - Nobody. Ever.
People use Windows because it comes with the PC and it runs all their shit (maybe except some yellowing-beige and blue scanner from 1997) with no fucking about needed. They were never incentivised to use Linux. They don't know what an OS is, and more importantly, they don't care.
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As someone who has has tried repeatedly for more than ten years to use Linux, Linux is already doing a good enough job at that without their help.
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What are the limits of this new law? Certainly state sponsored spyware are protected from this, for example
The overlap of people that will not remove the initial bloat (even if it's a button displayed prominently on first start) and people inclined to use Linux in the first place is not that great.
Edge isn't as bad nowadays, and it's not much more of a spyware than Google Chrome, the meme browser.
Which still is pretty bad. Honestly we should avoid chromium.
But as far as chromium is concerned, yeah Edge is pretty good. I used it until the anti adblock shenanigans
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I get the point, but there's for example Evolution which you cannot uninstall from GNOME without uninstalling the GNOME itself
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Funny because I have edge installed on my Linux laptop for some work stuff
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And still, it's been years (even decades) that all computers in France were supposed to be proposed without OS preinstalled and yet it's very difficult to find one, or even to be refunded the licence Price a posteriori. Laws are being voted, removed, revoted, reremoved etc. and all justice actions have been a massive failure for consumers. I hope this law will be more applied than what we had until now.
We are moving the correct way but we still are so far from equity.
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