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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 97 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

its false consciousness. the letter is actually anti-Semitic. they should read Noam Chomsky or something about manufacturing consent.

Your former president warned you previously about the devastating Jewish control of capital

Evangelical Christians are just as or more so invested in the state of Israel as Jews are.

Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities.

Again, its not "Jewish" lobby.

Osama isn't a friend of leftists.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 80 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Obligatory plug for Inventing Reality, from which much of Manufacturing Consent was cribbed (or at least it predated MC by 2 years)

And yes, you do not have to hand it to Al-Qaeda. They are reactionaries. They point out things that liberals conveniently ignore sometimes, especially when they are engaged in anti-colonial struggle, but it's still in service of their right wing views.

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

If a chud says the sky is blue it does not mean that the sky is purple, but it does not mean he is right about anything else either.

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 83 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I mean it does point out a lot of very real problems with the US but then it turns around and says 'and this is because the Jews control the banks and secretly rule America'

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago

From my understanding, most people reading the letter aren't agreeing with everything it says, just realizing terrorism doesn't spawn out of nowhere and the US has committed horrific atrocities

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can you guys like at least use your magic to replace fr*nch fries with latkes? They're a superior culinary experience

[–] Maaj@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I may be in board with this, if ketchup is still an acceptable condiment for usage on the latkes after we phase out the French fries.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ketchup isn't even that good. most other dipping sauces are superior

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[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You enjoy potato pancakes and their cousins with sour cream or apple sauce. Your mention of ketchup makes me want to commit sectarianism.

[–] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ketchup on fried potatoes is praxis and anyone who claims otherwise is a gusano

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I feel about Bin Laden the same way I do about Ted Kaczinsky (sp?): might have some very good points but also really bad ones and neither strike me as particularly good people. America may have deserved 9/11 but for me that doesn’t translate to any support - even critical support - for Bin Laden.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean Bin Laden's a start but somehow getting Parenti or Chomsky videos to go viral would be better. Baldwin too.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Fuck Chomsky, he's a sub-opportunist defender of the status quo he limply criticizes. Get fucking Kwame Ture on there.

[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

I don't have a particularly high opinion on Chomsky but he's mostly had great no-holds-barred takes on Israel-Palestine which are straight and to the point, which is why clips of them have gone viral. But yes, we need to "sneak in" some actual revolutionary voices.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

I saw this today and I think it is pure gold. buy one chomsky get one free

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

if the bar is at bin laden then chomsky is an improvement

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True, but he's a great gateway for baby leftists. Manufacturing Consent was very important to a lot of young leftists during the Bush administration.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Baldwin/Buckley debate is hilarious because Buckley tries to pop off little WASP quips and Baldwin just ain't having it.

[–] Indifference_Engine@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you have a link for that? I've never heard of either of them but that sounds entertaining

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago

Educational system has failed to properly indoctrinate Gen Z, who is performing original research

[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not at all surprising why this is considered mind-blowing to many young people who had been spoonfed "we got bombed because of our freedumbs" their entire lives subliminally. The general knowledge of America's "shenanigans" all over the world pre-9/11, never mind the MidEast in particular, is still so far behind despite being leagues better than two decades ago.

That said, seeing a lot of people "hand it" to scum like OBL and Tucker Carlson, even here, has been driving me up the wall. The antisemitic, immaterial drivel reactionaries spew simply spreads false consciousness which distracts from the root of Israel's role as an enforcer of Western capitalist hegemony. It's our job as communists to dispel that and raise class consciousness.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

JJ McCullough's response video to the "worrying trend" was honestly just kinda painful to watch. He seems like such a crotchety old man who thinks he knows better than them durn whippersnappers.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

JJ McCucklough is a stupid Canuck fuck who runs his soy mouth on issues beyond his depth with all the arrogance that a centrist liberal worldview can explain and solve everything.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You mean this guy isn't even American and simping this hard for Biden? Fucking loser.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

Exactly, liberals all around the world live together in the realm of la la land.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

He's Canadian. Most of our politics are American politics.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I mean, yeah, which is why I don't watch him much anymore, but could we please not use "soy" as some sort of weird pejorative?

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[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Really need to shut Canada down until we can figure out what the hell is going on

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[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Yeah he's pretty cringe ngl:

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Biden could have Netanyahu fly to Washington and grovel at his feet if he wanted to. It’s not “impressive” that Biden got his dog to do a trick for treats

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[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago
[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Ghouls, sowing: Yes, yes... underfund the schools... vilify all teachers...

Ghouls, reaping: The education system has failed Gen Z...

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's false consciousness and some of the kids are going to start acting foolish cause of this (idk the age of gen Z and I'm not looking it up. I'm sure you're doing fine). But gen Z is inherenting a world on this collision course with doom since before they were born and are witnessing the suffering of the millennials who tried to wrestle with that reality earnestly. It's the easiest troll of my fucking life to take the "bad guy" from some conflict that these people take seriously and say that he was right. This is elementary for being annoying, an art which defined my adolescence. Getting a news site to take down his letter and getting an article written about you is what made 4chan fun before the Nazis came in. The left should facilitate Dagestani style wrestling and cook rice in a pot you have to flip upsidedown to get out so they get an education and don't move on to calling Hitler right.

[–] Timberknave@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

I don't think the main takeaway for Gen Z on that letter was that homosexuality and jewish people are the source of the world's ills

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

This kinda seems like an op tbh

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago
[–] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

It'd be pretty funny if Bin Laden destroyed the US a decade after his own death not through terrorism but because some American kids read a letter he wrote twenty years earlier.

A bunch of suburbanite gen Zs become cargo cult wahhabists. Instead of having Imams they learn about Islam from the moderators of meme discord groups.

[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I scroll tiktok a lot and I have not seen any of these videos.. so I don't think the left-wing accounts are really posting Bin Laden.

It feels a bit...odd.

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably more Zuckerberg attempting to get Tik Tok banned.

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

"Our education system has failed" says people who want to defend public education so they can homeschool their kids in "respecting the troops 101"

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