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[–] HotDogFingies@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

This is by far the best news I've heard in a long while. Well done, Portugal.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I looked into this more, the 2022 data tells a much different story than the article:

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/portugal#how-much-electricity-does-the-country-consume-each-year

hard to believe they've basically just returned to 1985 levels of renewables for electricity generation.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago

In 1980 gdp per capita of Portugal was lower then that of Ghana! They had massive economic growth since then and the country industrialized very late especially by European standards. That is why you see the electricity production more then double over that period. Hydro was basicly the big electricity source at the time, but there is limited potential. So thats why its share was going down.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No chart I looked at on that site says that

[–] francisco@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago

Look for "Portugal: How much of the country’s electricity comes from renewables?" in the bottom quarter.

[–] dimath@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's important to have an accurate understanding of objective reality. That's reason enough.

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thats correct. But I also do not understand what these graphs should show me and how this conflicts with the article?

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I find stories like this can misrepresent the actual distance from the goal for many countries, or the progress made -- if any. In the case of Portugal, it's just barely returned to the level of renewable electricity production it achieved almost 40 years ago, but the renewable electricity generation at that time 40 years ago was the sort you could use for 24/7 baseload, whereas today we're using much more intermittent forms of renewable electricity generation so getting a good day or 6 isn't as meaningful as it might at first appear.

Contrast another story from earlier this year where Norway was paying people to burn electricity because of favorable conditions -- disregarding that unusual story, Norway's electricity generation is 99% renewable and in fact exports renewable energy to its neighbors, and electricity is so inexpensive that 70% of home heating in that cold nation is electric. That's a real success story.

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But this is due to the industrialization and the resulting higher energy consumption.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 0 points 2 years ago

TIL about the Carnation Revolution in 1974, and the dictatorship from 1930 to 1974 that focused on keeping Portugal a largely agrarian economy.

Absolutely mind blowing.

[–] francisco@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is it hard to believe or have you not thought about it hard enough?