Yes, not a starter. By year three as a starter, he was a pro bowler.
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Could Fields turn it around? He could. Is it likely? No.
We did start to see him turn it around before he got hurt....
Dude threw for over 600 yards and 8 touchdowns in the 2 games prior to him getting hurt.
Does no one remember this?
We pretending the rest of the Vikings game didn't happen before his injury?
Geno Smith had a year last year.
Josh Allen
Was already great at this point of his career.
4,500 yards, 35 TDs and 10 INTs his 3rd year. He turned it around halfway through his 2nd season.
Drew Brees
You wouldn’t know it from the constant idiocy on here but fields numbers and pff are actually improving this year. We’ll see if it continues
Which is why he has thr same 3.7% int rate as a rookie? Still has an atrocious completion %? Has the same 38% success rate as a rookie? Has a higher sack % than a rookie?
He's up in yards and touchdowns. Which is dj Moore, not fields. While his legs have been neutered Which was the only thing he was great at last year.
I get you hate the guy but his passer rating and pff are climbing each year. I also think hes still fast lol
Continuing to be prove that anyone who uses passer rating is admitting they have nothing to actually say.
Here's the qbs fields passing grade is at
#22 fields, #23 a rapist #24 Jimmy g #25 Sam Howell #26 Kenny Pickett #27 mac Jones
The real cream of the crop.
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Vinny Testaverde was bad in Tampa. Decent in New York.
Tannehill was bad at Miami. Decent with the Titans
Tannehill was better in Miami than Tennessee. Outside of one season in Tennessee he's been terrible.
Alex Smith & Drew Brees are 2 players that come to mind. Geno Smith as well.
Josh McCown as well, but not as a starter.
Kirk Cousins and Goff's transition is still early but he seems to be on the Cousins route. In the more average tier, Tannehill. It seems more common that qbs take a long time to develop vs the instant hit in year 1/2.
Josh Allen didn’t put it together for a while
But he showed growth every season something Fields has not
Fields has literally gotten better ever season in every meaningful metric
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Smith had 1 good season in his career.where was the turn around?
Don't forget Kirk Cousins.
Dude was a 4th rounder meant to back up fellow rookie RG3.
RG3 isn't even in the league and Kirk Cousins is considered a top tier QB, if not S tier this season (before the injury) then at least A tier.
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a bunch.
Punting on Fields in favor of possibly really good QB prospects is one thing. Punting on Fields just because he's not an all-pro QB halfway through his 3rd season is another.
Let's see how the season plays out
It's punting on fields because he's a bottom 3 qb.
Let's not pretend it's because we're figuring out if he's great instead of Good. We're figuring out is he average or terrible.
Every year, so yes?
I've had this thought a bunch lately. Alex Smith came to mind as well as Steve Young, who was forgettable as a Buccaneer before gong to SanFran. Brett Farve was traded to GB before he took off. You can perhaps put Tua in there also. I'm sure theres a couple more but they're rare and the common denominator for each is getting paired with a great offensive coach. I'm rooting for Justin big time but this organization has done absolutely nothing to help him become great. Drafted by a lame duck GM and Coach only to then be given a defensive HC by a new GM who clearly wasn't hired to build around him. If Justin pulls this off and proves himself here, he will have done it alone. If/when Justin leaves, he could be one good coach away from reaching his potential.
I was all in on the year three leap and following the Allen and Hurts path when we got Moore. Justin’s personality and big play ability make it really easy to root for him. I completely agree he’s handed a raw deal to start his career which lead me to this post. Hoping for success for sure but also realistic that with rookie contract ending and high draft pick it will have to be a hell of a 2nd half of a season for him to keep the Bears from drafting another QB.
I don't think there have been many QBs in Fields position. Which despite all the shit on this sub, makes him really hard to evaluate.
His rookie year he played under an outgoing front/office coach who used him as a last ditch effort to save themselves. As shown by his first start in Cleveland, they very clearly did not set him up for success.
His 2nd year the organization changes from top to bottom. Learns a new offense while simultaneously having one of the least talented offenses of the past 5 years.
The staff he's under now is at risk of getting canned again because they're simply underperforming with all the talent on the team. Not just Justin.
So there's not many QBs who've been put into this spot. Despite all this, he hasn't been really that bad. They've lost a lot, but fun fact: the average number of points by the winning team in the NFL is 26.6. Fields has led us to more than that on 6 occansions and lost the game. The defense rarely has helped him. His numbers this year have genuinely been average. He's playing like a middle of the pack QB.
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People forgetting those first few years of Matthew Stafford being known as "Mr Glass" too.
Stafford had 41 touchdowns and 5k yards year 3.
That is 110 yards a game more than fields pre injury. And an entire touchdown a game more. While being sacked nearly a third less. And a significantly lower int %.
What does a few years mean to you?
Josh Allen is an example I think here.
He seemed to me to be a guy that had the measurables and made all the right reads. Just had bad mechanics and couldn't throw it accurately. But once he got that figured out, he's a pro-bowler and on the cover of Madden.
Brian Daboll figured it out for him. Last I checked we don’t have a goddamn QB whisperer on our team, so it’s not gonna happen for Fields
I think I’ve been hearing “if Fields just balls out the rest of the year” every week for a couple months now. Pure desperation
The list will be very long because it’s rare for a rookie to come in the NFL and light it up all year.
That’s why I was looking for QB’s with as many unanswered questioned as Fields has mid-way through their 3rd season. Not rookie.
Tua was pretty universally labeled as a bust before McDaniel got there and brought in Waddle and Hill
Good one. And a good example of how much of an impact it makes when coaches are competent enough to know how to use their talent. How many players have we squandered over the years from bad coaches?
Good one. And a good example of how much of an impact it makes when coaches are competent enough to know how to use their talent. How many players have we squandered over the years from bad coaches?
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Off the top of my head: Josh Allen. Tua. Trevor Lawrence. Jared Goff. Stafford. Jalen Hurts. Tannehill.
If you wanna go back further: Aikman, Peyton, Eli.
You're getting a ton of bad examples; to the degree that Fields needs to turn it around the chances are extremely slim. Dude still looks lost in the pocket, clean or collapsing.
The constant with the list is change in coach/team. Kind of what led me to this thought was I’ve seen many suggestions that if Eberflus stays than so should Fields and there’s not a lot of history that shows that to be beneficial.
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Just because I haven’t seen the name yet.
Kurt Warner.
There are plenty, but recently, the big names for me are:
- Drew Brees
- Kirk Cousins
- Alex Smith
Warren Moon and Tom Brady of course.
Josh Allen.
We all forget that many thought his drafting to be meh...then year 3 he exploded on the scene and hasn't let go.
Ryan Tannehill was a top 10 pick and turned his career around after a rough start.
His first 2 seasons had a 59.4% completion percentage, 3.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, and a 79.1 QB rating.
The rest of his career has been 65.6% completion, 4.9% TD, 2.3% INT, and 94.8 QB rating.
Rich Gannon, Terry Bradshaw, Alex Smith, Drew Brees, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Eli Manning, Josh Allen
Goff
Tannehill
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