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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Stamets@lemmy.world to c/risa@startrek.website

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Just once I'd like a post where everyone is chill and positive about stuff instead of focusing on negative

Edit: I dunno why I expect people to ever be capable of being positive anymore. Dunno why I bother.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Do I not like the new content because it's new and weird...? 🤔

No. I still liked DS9 and Voyager when I had grew up with TNG. I still liked Enterprise (although with some caveats mostly due to specific nerd shit that changed). I love Lower Decks and Prodigy.

What I can't get into with Picard and Discovery (haven't tried SNW yet) is the format. I really just prefer episodic content to serialized stuff. Especially when the good parts come slowly. So many people who do like these shows admit they don't get good until the 2nd or 3rd season, and I just can't slog through the first season to get that far.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

SNW is probably what you want. There are some longer arcs, but for the most part, you can take things episode by episode.

The streaming era is favoring shows with long arcs, though. Just the opposite of where we were in the 90s, where missing one episode of Babylon 5 meant you might not understand what's going on, and VCRs were clunky and hard to setup right.

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[–] nzeayn@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I fuckin love Discovery and none of ya can shame me for that. All this new era of trek fun as hell and im here for it. The abrams movies got my kid into trek because you know what, they are fun!

I pulled away from the trek fandom back in the Voyager days. Because I love that damn show. And I got tired of hearing how much better it would be if Janeway smiled more. I love the TNG era but it had some problems. The Yar arc happend people.

Trek is trek and it's all fantastic. Folks who can't be happy to enjoy all the new trek we've gotten are welcome to go back to grumply watching that original star wars trilogy shit. I'll be over here with the capacity for joy rewatching all of trek now.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm right there with ya. Discovery won me over big-time. I am going to start season 3 in a bit.

I am re-watching Voyager at the same time. Kind of drifted from Trek around Voyager season 4 for reasons (nothing to do with trek itself). Yeah Voyager is a hell of a show. Lots of great episodes. It's great to see all the ones I missed and can't wait to see how they get back (no spoilers!!)

I've now picked up DS9 again where I left off a couple years ago. Season 5. Looking forward to finding out what I missed back in the day.

I'm back to Trek because of SNW. Seriously that show reminded me why I love Star Trek so much. I will likely rewatch it soon.

[–] nzeayn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Been hearing great things about SNW. I've kept that and Picard S3 back for now so I can do the whole trek run in the background while I dive into a new project at work. I'm almost done with S1 of TNG, gonna run that through Picard. Then jump back to ENT and catch up to SNW before jumping into late DSC. All 625hrs.

Enjoy your DS9 and VOY rewatches those are fun!

[–] Kucifus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Respect.It's not for me, but I appreciate that other people can enjoy it, no shame in liking a thing, and no shame in not liking it either. People are allowed to have opinions.

[–] Kucifus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Hard disagree, new star trek has had years to "settle in" and has shown almost no signs of improving on the things that make it poor quality - namely low effort pandering writing and a lack of respect for its audience. Alex Kurtzman and the executives are the problem, and they're not going anywhere soon.

[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I miss how campy it used to be. I feel they finally nailed it with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, but Disco and Picard were rough. Picard S3 was a little more tolerable though.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Camp is an intentionally over-the-top stylistic choice, it's a specific well defined style. It doesn't just mean "silly" or "cheesy". Star Trek isn't camp.

Sorry to be that guy but it's one of my pet peeves.

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All the exact same arguments that were made against TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

But way to look at the description of my post and say "Nah, positivity? Fuck that."

Thanks for that.

[–] Kucifus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You can reasonably disagree with a critical response to a TV show without it being a personal attack on your positivity or that of your post. What are you looking for here? An echo chamber makes for a boring discussion board.

I think it's fair enough to expect writers to understand and respect the media they're working with, and I'd argue that the writing in all those previous shows was leagues more intelligent and considered than the stuff on Kurtzman shows. I get very frustrated at how what was a show about professional and considered officers dealing with clever sci fi scenarios is turned into an action slog "fuck yeah science" show. It's not smart or interesting like that.

EDIT: noticed your post above about the difficulties you're going through. We can disagree about a telly show and still respect each other, I don't think discussion spaces like this might be healthy if you're struggling with positivity. It's totally okay to like the new trek shows and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be positive.

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