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thinking about a friend from high school who i said a lot of eggy shit to and they said a lot back at me. wonder how they're doing?

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[–] RION@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Honestly the whole "prime directive" thing kinda pisses me off. I wish someone had leveled with me when I started wondering "Why do I always crush on lesbians? Why do lesbians in media make me feel funny? Why do I feel so indignant when I'm shut out of women's spaces because I'm a guy?" in college. I had like one person I told and they were like "eh that kinda sounds transy" and it was left at that.

Also imagine that concept being used in the context of any other condition: "Damn that stuff they're complaining about sounds exactly like my sleep apnea symptoms. Ah well, not my place! They can suffer for a few more years until they figure it out."

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the fun thing about calling it the "prime directive" is that they routinely went against that shit all the time in star trek. it practically existed to be defied!

personally i say fuck it, if something pings my radar i'm just like "oh have you considered that you might be trans?"

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Damnit Picard!! This planet hasn't even invented totally ironic crossdressing as a joke yet!

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ElRenosaurusReg@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm absolutely with you on that. I'll never say it outright like "Hey friend, you're trans" but I've had the conversation multiple times where I've said something along the lines of "Hey that was a super not-cis thing to say/do, do we maybe wanna unpack that?"

The prime dirEGGtive was meant to be broken, but it should be broken tactfully.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

prime dirEGGtive

data-laughing but also yes, exactly. tact is vital; i think it's telling that a lot of the concerns about violating the PD in trans-positive spaces boil down to "but what if it forces them further into denial/otherwise makes it worse?" and of course no one wants to be (or even just feel!) responsible for that. so i do think it's important to treat the issue with care and caution when we're dealing with people who aren't initiated into the mysteries.

basically "be gentle, but No Trans Left Behind"

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

yeah, you gotta at least make some leading comments. i get not wanting to pressure people but i would have absolutely cracked years before i did if a trans person had looked at me and said "i think you might be like me" and i really don think the possibility that they're actually cis is a problem there. if they are than some people made weird comments to them and maybe they experienced a tiny fraction of the pressure we feel from society to be different. they'll live

I agree, you don't wanna railroad people into a specific identity, but gender is inextricably social. This "prime directive" shit treats gender like some atomized, wholly internal, thing. It's based on this idea that mentioning transness at all might corrupt some pure, internal process of gender discovery.

And frankly, that's some fucking lib shit. Instead of this "prime directive" nonsense, you can just present the option to people, and be a supportive friend. That's millions of times more helpful then this coy, anxious, silence.

[–] Orannis62@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah honestly. There's a focus on Letting People Figure It Out For Themselves that like, I understand, but I think it goes too far at times.

Plus, it matters who it comes from. I find that a lot of repetition of the "prime directive" and anger at egg jokes etc from cis people comes from a place not of not pressuring someone, but of "how dare you, this person is NORMAL and you shouldn't insult them by insinuating they're like you"

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

three different people have said i was instrumental to them realizing they were trans. all from high/middle school.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

doing the work god won't

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

ive cracked maybe 10 eggs via our lgbt center. its really interesting how many 'twinks' end up transfem.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i totally recommend volunteering at your local lgbt spot, its very rewarding

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

thats a great idea

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The "twink/femboy"->transfem pipeline continues unabated

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

hold on i have a post about this

here it is

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Incredible posting, huge fan, love it. IIRC there's gonna be a novel about this sometime.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

wait really? i'll read that, do you have any info about it?

read the article i link in the post too if you haven't it's really good

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I will, ty! Also my info is that Imogen Binnie said she was writing it in an interview like last year. It could maybe have been a bit or sarcastic or double speak or something, but I didn"t take it that way, so I dunno.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

googling imogen binnie kurt cobain reveals a couple of interviews where she talks about working on various projects about kurt cobain being trans, so probably legit

actually in one of them she says nevada (which i haven't read but want to) is kind of about that

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That was batshit, I have read Nevada and I don't think it's really about that. I guess kinda, but not really? Weird ass.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i did also find the interview you were talking about, and i went back and reread the thing i was talking about and it turns out i misread it and she was talking about her next novel, which she's been working on since nevada

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the one! I 'member. I'm fucking dying to read it, I first read Nevada in highschool so the release of her next thing will be a big moment!

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah, i've been meaning to read nevada for a while myself, so i'd definitely read her new novel whenever it comes out

i'd also love to read the zine she apparently prepared about 15-20 years ago about the topic, that seems interesting

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Never found that, I'd love to as well

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

how it do to be a role model

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i broke my friend's egg because she would always play girls in video games so i jokingly said "You know you can be a girl in real life too right?"

she accepted she was trans a few weeks later

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

this is the power we could be wielding, if not for fear! comrade spectre leads the way rat-salute

[–] Alch_Fox@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I have lived with another transwoman (my wife) for 11 years now. Known her for 14. She came out to me as trans around 2011. A couple of years ago when I finally had the epiphany and I sheepishly told her that I was trans, she said "uh huh, and?" Turns out she's known without me knowing since like 2015 or so and never said a word. Apparently I did a ton of egg stuff during all those years that she knew me. All things considered, I wish I would've known sooner, but I'm not so certain I would've accepted it as fact. I do believe that she sent me coded hints on more than one occasion and I just was all "lol, nah, can't be." idk. Don't really matter. What has happened has happened. I'm transitioning now and it's most certainly better than never.

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m really curious, what sort of things would be considered ‘egg-like’? Forgive me if that’s an inappropriate question, I’m a cishet person without a lot of exposure to trans culture.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

there's a lot of things that could be defined as egg behavior. in my case i would constantly be bringing up trans issues and stuff, just because that stuff's really fascinating and they're so brave and can you imagine doing that? that's so crazy. i remember caitlyn jenner coming out and i kept talking to people about her. i would also ask people if they'd thought about what it was like as the other sex, complain about my voice being too deep because it made singing harder (and in choir i insisted i was a bass when i very much was not because my voice sounded so deep to me and it really bothered me), play as female characters in games and stuff. i made a lot of comments like "i wish i was a girl because..." and then say some kind of joke or way i thought life would be easier and everyone would give me weird looks

other things i did included that were less public: reading stories where boys would turn into girls magically and try and replicate them. i spent probably 2 hours trying to kiss my elbow when i saw that work in a book i read. i thought some fairly mid webcomics and manga were really good because they had magic gender changes in them. i would read tg porn just out of fascination with it, because i couldn't find openly trans writing to obsess over instead. i would shave way more often than was necessary even though i hated doing it. i was fascinated by queerness and gravitated towards it though i couldn't explain why. a little after i came out as trans my mom told me she'd thought i was gay because if that. i mean, i am, but not like she meant

my experience was obviously not universal though, and there's a wide range of egg behavior out there. if anyone else has things they want to share, whether they're close to my own experience or not, please do

[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, okay. So it could be as straightforward as making statements about wanting to be a different gender, but it could also be how someone engages with news or media, how they talk about their physical or behavioral characteristics, how they relate to gender or queerness, etc. I could totally see being on the other side of that journey/realization and being able to spot when other people are telegraphing their own dysphoria without realizing it.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

yeah. i didn't even touch on all the small stuff i remember from my childhood, from the way i stopped swimming basically as soon as i turned 10 to the clothes i wore to my body language to the way i spoke and a million other tiny things that once you recognize in yourself you can recognize in others

[–] WannabeBear@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Egg shit I (an ftm egg) did, off the top of my head:

Ask people if they would still like me if I was a guy.

Make jokes about having a dick.

Have panic attacks when guys I was dating/fucking grabbed my tits or were obsessive about them.

Lament about how much nicer men's clothing is and how much easier it would be to be even slightly stylish as a guy.

Etc.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Lament about how much nicer men's clothing is and how much easier it would be to be even slightly stylish as a guy.

Hah, I'm constantly doing this except reverse the genders.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Prime direggtive

edit: DAMMIT SOMEONE ALREADY MADE THE JOKE

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

it's a good joke anyway