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I've been pretty neutral about the changes on watchOS 10. I understood that people don't like changes -

but it's been 2 months now and I still try to bring up the control center the old way, I still try to access my most recently used apps the old way and I'm still annoyed by having submenus everywhere where watchOS 9 was straightforward with everything. watchOS 10 is the most unintuitive Apple experience I ever had.

Old top menu bar, one line leaving space for the actual content

New top menu bar with huge buttons at the top, pushing down the actual content

Probably the worst part on my 40mm SE is that the colorful backgrounds made all app icons on watch faces smaller (there has recently been a post about this) and I keep missing icons when clicking them. I sometimes need to click an icon 4 times until it registers, along with the colorful backgrounds and unnecessarily huge flashy other buttons this feels like a $50 knockoff Watch to me now.

Also what did they think when changing the menu bar at the top? It used to be one small line (picture 1) but now on my 40mm Watch about 1 fourth of the screen is covered by each app's title or clock (picture 2). I know what app I'm in, I don't need half the screen (exaggerating yes) covered to be reminded of the app I'm using.

watchOS 10 must've been designed by someone who doesn't really use their Apple Watch much I assume. I'm not blaming them, everyone can make mistakes when the goal was progress but it's not like a mistake has to be set in stone. Just roll it back or give us a choice between design and functionality - I personally prefer functionality, it's not like watchOS 9 was so ugly that it needed a re-design to begin with.

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[–] iamkhris@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've had absolutely no issues with getting used to the button functionality changes. If it's taking you over two months to adjust, then it's definitely an issYOU and nothing to do with Apple.

watchOS 10 must've been designed by someone who doesn't really use their Apple Watch much I assume.

You know what they say about assuming.

[–] wheelie89@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah when something worked for almost 10 years, and Apple changes it, it's definitely me who's suddenly at fault. Wow what a childish mindset that is.

[–] Jitsoperator@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

What bothers me is when it’s in a app it doesn’t go back to Home Screen automatically

And my battery sucks now

[–] EnragedFerretX@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I forget the stacks are there most of the time, which negates most of the changes they made. The new look of the stock apps is fine with me though.

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[–] eggsaladsandwichism@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, most people agree, OS10 is trash

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[–] TWYFAN97@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Took me a bit over a week and everything is normal to me now. I’m actually quite happy with how everything works and I really wasn’t sure initially especially with not everyone liking OS 10 and I’m a big fan of the app redesigns.

[–] mribeirorio@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] ra4oasis@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

10 isn’t perfect but I still prefer it over 9. And I’ve gotten used to the different functions the buttons do at this point.

[–] Luci_Noir@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It works the way it worked before. I guess some Karens just want to be outraged so they make stuff up or hit themselves in the head until they come up with something to post.

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[–] eskie146@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I find the “Smart” Stack anything but. After sucking my battery dry with the weather widget (took me a week from the RC to stumble on that) to absolute agony trying to change any features because maybe my fingers are too big. I went back to my usual faces with complications that displayed the information I needed in less than a second.

Sadly, that left me either the problem of wasting my time to simply swipe left or right to go from a pretty analog watch face to Infograph with my nice 8 complications, glance at it, and swipe back to my pretty analog face. Total time in under 2 seconds, making it simple, intuitive, and helpful. But nope, press for 2 seconds, looks through the little watch face icons, select it, read it for a second, then spend 2 seconds holding that face to go back into edit mode to select the other face. If people were having too much trouble with accidental swipes from clothing (I mostly wear dress shirts, yet only happened maybe 2 or 3 times in two years of daily wear, add a no swipe toggle in control panel, and no more accidental swipes. That group is happy, and I’m happy having my swipe function to use as I see fit (my needs and moods change throughout the day, so no, focus modes won’t help).

The list goes on and on of unintuitive changes made for the sake of change, not improvement in actual use. To take a functional and intuitive UX and fiddle with it quite literally just for the sake of it shows design teams struggling to find helpful new features, so just move things around and make it feel different. That goal they met.

The only real attempt at improving utility and speed of feature management was double tap. Rebranded from accessibility features, and not exactly enough of a breakthrough to make me rush to the counter to trade in my S7 for an S9, and hope one out of three double pinches achieves the command I meant to enter, instead of a single nose tap.

[–] wheelie89@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't put the watch face swipe in my post because I think some people simply accidentally swiped all the time but your suggestion making it an option sounds perfect

[–] Significant_Tax_3427@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The odd thing is that the UX was far from perfect even before 10. There were plenty of things that could have been done. The home screen in particular, which has barely been messed with. No ability to set favorites in list view to sit at the top for easy access is a ridiculous oversight. You can’t hide apps you don’t want on your home screen, or sort them in any way, let alone organize them into folders. The best you can do is remove the app altogether. The app cluster view is really cluttered and hard to distinguish what you are looking for. To me that seems like it should be a far higher priority than redoing perfectly usable bits of UI.

[–] Kranon7@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I adjusted. It took a few weeks of reprogramming my muscle memory.

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[–] WLFGHST@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Idk, I like it quite a bit

[–] MysticMaven@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yes I love it now. Maybe you should sell it and get an android watch.

[–] doogm@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I'm also ok with the changes, but some of them still wrangle.

I still try to access my most recently used apps the old way

Yes. I was a huge user of the customized dock. I hardly ever use control center, and would be fine with it being a button on the Smart Stack of widgets, just as an example. The double-click of the crown for the new "dock", which is really the watch version of the iOS app switcher, is not enough for me - I want a list of my most important apps to be able to access quickly

For me, so far the biggest issue, besides the loss of the dock, is the change in behavior when single-clicking the crown when you have list view. Now it always returns you to the top of the list when you access it from a watch face, which is alphabetical; before it remembered where you were between uses (it still does this if you access the list while you are in an app, which to me is inconsistent behavior), so if I often use the list to open my 2FA app , it would almost always be there waiting for me when I press the crown. Now, it's back to the top and scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll.

For a while I have been trying to use watch faces with few complications, and trying to use the Smart Stack to see that sort of info that I used to get from complications. As of now, though, after almost a couple of months of trying, I am back to using a watch face with the complications that I like to see and hardly ever use the Smart Stack, and, of course, hardly ever use control center. Really the only times I ever see it are when I unthinkingly click the side button in order to open the dock.

watchOS 10 must've been designed by someone who doesn't really use their Apple Watch much I assume.

I don't think so. I think that you and I (and lots of others who post here) are power-users of the watch, and the likely fact is that almost everyone else likely is not. I think these changes were designed for people who are not power users who were probably often confused by the UX of watchOS before version 10. Apple collects usage statistics by people who share diagnostic information, so I am sure that they have a very strong idea of how people use the watch, what they are often unable to figure out easily, etc.

I hope that these changes are just the beginning of a change that will evolve over time.

Also what did they think when changing the menu bar at the top? It used to be one small line (picture 1) but now on my 40mm Watch about 1 fourth of the screen is covered by each app's title or clock (picture 2).

I'm not seeing that at all in your example, which shows two different apps anyway. Really I am fine with the visual changes to most apps, and honestly think that a lot have changed for the better. (Perhaps that's because I have an Ultra, which always had a lot of wasted screen space.)

[–] Technical-Station113@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

You’re not alone, the best we can do is give Apple our feedback on this, I totally hated the Touch Bar and ports on MacBooks pros, most people didn’t like it either and Apple had to go back to old design. With WatchOS 10 they also tried to fix something that wasn’t broken, we must be able to customise how the watch behaves, if your side button malfunctions you’re left without control center

[–] The_Woman_of_Gont@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Customization is definitely the key here. It’s anathema to how Apple does things usually, but watches are such a personal item that you use constantly through the day that it’s necessary when you make big changes like this.

[–] Flat_Unit_4532@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did they change the ports?

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[–] kay_41@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I adjusted to it so quick lmao but its a trash update tbf

[–] redavid@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

watchOS 10 must've been designed by someone who doesn't really use their Apple Watch much I assume.

i'm not convinced all that many higher ups at apple use the product at all, which is why it's been so stagnant for years now

[–] Potential-Raise-196@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Battery has been good but my cellular with Verizon stopped working and my automations related to my watch aren’t working either. SE2 40mm

[–] ShrimpRampage@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I prefer 10. I’m using ultra so maybe the size of the watch is more conducive to the os10 quirks.

[–] FluffyMegazord@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (11 children)

My issue is the design language no longer feels intuitive. The simplicity of the UX coupled with the functional buttons no longer synchronises for me.

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[–] fender0327@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I haven’t. I absolutely hate it.

[–] whtge8@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Man y’all really love to complain here, easy unsub…

[–] enarth@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

i don't undesrtand why they replaced the control center by the smart stack.... when they removed the multitask (or the thing that was activated by pushing the side buton), they just add to put the smart stack on the side button... and done...

On every other devices in existence that has a control center or equivalent, you get to the control center by swiping up or down...

anyway my point is, i agree... still can't get used to the new actions...

[–] Wolfmans-Bro@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I got a Series 8 this summer and it has been stuck on 9.6.2. There a notification nearly every day that says it’s going to update at night, but never does. Maybe it’s not a bad thing after hearing all the feedback

[–] HexR1se@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Have you updated your iphone to ios 17? Mine is still on 16 I don't get notifications on watch os 9

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[–] Luigi_loves_Mario@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

First Apple Watch and I’m loving it. I have no idea what it was like before cuz I was on android. P.s. their watches are not that good and I was with them for 8 years lol

[–] JayMoots@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I seem to be in the minority around here but I think OS 10 is an improvement.

The only old feature I miss is how easy it was to swipe between faces.

[–] ComprehensiveTrip781@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I didn’t download watchOS 10 mainly because it would make the battery way worse on my first generation, SE

[–] spazzcat@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It took me about two days fully change

[–] HorizonMan@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Totally feel the same, and also wanted to give it a chance, but just realized, there's more friction with a lot of the most commonly used apps. The workout app is just stupid compared to before.

I also can't get used to not swiping for control center, why, because every other Apple device works that way too!

I hope that they will give an option to swipe for control center in the future.

[–] zeromadcowz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It took me roughly 2 days to get used to the new setup but I only used the old version for about a year. It’s fine for me but I have an SE and have about 50% battery life every night…. So no power watch user.

[–] CivilizedGuy123@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When a new OS comes out I am always annoyed. Apple insists on making the new OS different, but not better. It’s best to leave the OS as is and then make small incremental improvements that truly improve the OS.

And another thing … the text software has changed with the new OS and it sucks. There was nothing wrong with the old texting OS but Apple makes money by making changes.

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[–] The_Woman_of_Gont@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The people who like it or don’t mind it aren’t making posts on online forums about it.

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[–] jhinch94@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Getting rid of the ability to go through my recent apps absolutely KILLLLSS me. what absolute moron thought this was a good idea.

[–] osugunner@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I think the changes are mostly fine. I too have to relearn a bit but the weather app is absolute trash now.

[–] ckwebgrrl@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I’m looking forward to more widget functionality

[–] imaguitarhero24@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of my least favorite small things is in the message app they blur the top for no reason… and it’s not even a smooth blur, there’s a clear line where they’re just taking away visible space for absolutely no reason. The usable space to read messages is much smaller.

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[–] Smiling_Penguin@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I like it, side button for control centre is great. Customised the Smart Stack so I use it a lot and I prefer the app screen now. Put nosed used apps up the top.

I sometimes press the wrong button but that happens less the more I use it.

I wasn’t so keen at the start but like it now.

[–] jestr6@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I feel like I’m either using my watch wrong or not enough. I keep seeing posts complaining about watchOS 10 but I don’t really notice any difference. My battery is fine and I haven’t really noticed any changes in my layout. I’m on 10.2 so it’s not that it hasn’t updated. Guess I’m just not using it enough.

[–] S1ayer74_Pez@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yes and no, I don’t like the red colour scheme used for some buttons, the alarm especially as my eyes can’t focus on it when I wake up!

[–] aladdinr@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I hate it

[–] Portatort@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Control centre behind a button is good

[–] Cute_Marzipan_4116@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

No, so flipping stupid they’ve had the same buttons and functions for 9 years and they decided to fuck everything up.

[–] techtom10@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems fine for me. The only thing I would like to see a change is on the stacks. It has the time at the top of it which isn't neccasary becasue as you scroll down the time appears anyway.

[–] The_Woman_of_Gont@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s pretty dumb. I wish you at least had the chance to adjust whether it’s digital or analogue. I’d actually kinda appreciate having quick access to the precise time when using an analogue watch face.

Really I just wish that you could change the entire stack for each face. Customization in general is the big issue with the OS, honestly, and you really feel it when you lose the ability to do something on a device as small/limited as a watch. A lot of the changes here should be things you can opt in or out of.

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