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It was Brady all along

I’m happy the “Bill Belichick is overrated” conversations happen semi frequently here cuz it reminds me 90% of this sub has no fucking clue what they’re talking about.

Because Tom Brady carried that franchise for two decades. I bet Josh McDaniel's playbook was actually created by Tom Brady. And the reason it doesn't work in New England or whenever a coach leaves New England is because Tom Brady isn't running it. He probably knows exactly which plays work, how to adjust the lineup, etc etc.

The best football coach to come out of the Belichick tree isn't even a pro coach either. It's Nick Saban by a mile.

No Brady obviously

They don't have Tommy Brady.

Because his tree produces nothing but nuts.

They didn’t take Tom Brady with them.

That question is awfully generous to those failed coaches, and simultaneously really creepy

Cuz no one else got carried by his golden boy.

Authoritarianism does not produce capable leiutenants who can easily point out the flaws in the leader. That way they can never replace the leader or challenge his authority. What it does produce is people who can yell the same message. Patriots Way mantra BS. But the Patriot way actually included something special that it's immitations do not, Tom Brady. Im not trying to denigrate anybody by pointing this out. But having the game's greatest QB ever will make those associated with his presence seem better than they were capable of becoming on their own. And other teams would be foolish to not try to see if there is something to the coaches But what we keep finding out, over and over again, is that the irreplacable ingredient is and always has been Brady, not the coaching side

I think it’s pretty simple. Guys learn under Belichick and try to do the same thing when they’re on their own, but the players don’t respect them because they haven’t won anything.

Because the Bill Belichick coaching tree requires being watered by the Tom Brady awesome quarterbacking irrigation system.

Like literally he has a combined losing record in the seasons in which Tom Brady was not his starting quarterback. He's not that great of a coach. His brilliance is entirely overrated. He got lucky enough to have a stable starting quarterback for a long time during that quarterback's Hall of Fame prime. That's it.

Everyone who's always fellating this guy isn't paying attention to the stats.

Tom Brady isn't on their teams

Cuz coaching trees are dumb and dont matter.

There was only one Tom Brady

In a word: Brady

He’s clearly soaked up all the wins

Maybe the bad fruit aren’t as good at cheating.

Cause it was tawmi's magic all along

The article basically just speculates why his tree has been poor, but it brings up what should be the obvious answer.

Belichick is perhaps the best game time adjuster and improviser the league will ever see. He sees what a team can do and takes it away.

He is also the gm and has final say over everything. I'd bet most of his former coaches were never given that power, and the ones that were had no clue how to use it ( BoB )

The people yelling " Brady " are just silly. Plenty of coordinators have coached HoF players on teams and went on to be a head coach and do fine despite not having a " Brady. "

Because there is only 1 Tom Brady

Turns out that when you have Tom Brady as your QB, he makes the coaching staff look better than they actually are.

Who woulda thunk it?

Because the secret sauce was always Tom Brady

because he rode bradys coattail for 20 yrs and hes not a good teacher

Because he’s a beneficiary of Tom Brady, evidenced by his coaching incompetence without Tom

When you're really good at something, you make it look super easy. So easy that others think they can do it too. Until it's all on them, and then its not so easy anymore.

Pretty much this.

The Peter Principle states that, if you perform well in your job, you will likely be promoted to the next level of your organization's hierarchy. You will continue to rise up the ladder until you reach the point where you can no longer perform well.

I think it's for a few reasons, mostly that dudes try to implement the Belicheat way in other orgs but don't have the track record or fortitude to do it. Also, I think Belicheat and Brady made a lot of folks look good during the dynasty that really weren't that special 🤷🏾‍♂️

No Tom Brady this is the reason.

The whole was it Brady or Belichick thing makes my head spin, honestly. I went from calling TB a game manager to saying it was all him to kind of just not knowing what was what anymore. The nfl in a nutshell, I suppose.

Because McDaniels is a loser down to his soul.

My guess…he’s a control freak that doesn’t let guys really run with their plans/creativity.

Add to the fact that OCs had Tom Fucking Brady for years to make their resumes really shine. Brady was probably running that offense more than most of the OCs were.

Belichick is an awful coach for the offensive side of the ball. Look at his track record of WRs he’s drafted and brought in. They’ve all been trash. If it wasn’t for Brady he would’ve been fried and working as a DC the last 15 years.

Because the Patriot Way only works when the coach actually commands respect. Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia in particular are both dipshits. Players don't respect them and they're too arrogant and short-sighted to even notice it (it's absolutely laughable that the players in Vegas had to basically hold an intervention for McDaniels about his behavior and that was ultimately what cost him his job). Whatever Belichick's flaws are he's won 5 SBs in NE. He commands respect for entirely that reason.

He's never been a good coach without Brady.

That's why.

For the offensive coaches it’s becuase they didn’t have Brady. This ain’t a “Brady madw bill Belichick” or vice versa argument, but there’s very rarely been a great coach that didn’t have a franchise QB and franchise QBs don’t grow on trees. For the defensive coaches, it’s because Bill runs almost everything with the defense. Brady and Bill (the coach and the GM) WERE “The patriot way”. The other coaches played their parts and contributed for sure, but when you go on your own and don’t have the greatest QB ever, and you no longer work under the best coach of all time, stuff gets tough.

Because they don’t have TB12. Look at Bill now without him.

Tom Brady

Belichick has a hard ass coaching style. Players hate it, but will deal with it when the coach has earned their respect. You do it his way, and you get results.

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His system also looks for very specific traits in its players. Stars on the Patriots tend to not play well on other teams.

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Now coaches under Belichik learn his system, and his coaching style. They try to bring the Patriot way elsewhere. The roster isn't built for it, and the players are not happy.

Cuz Belichick isn’t good without Brady duh

What is this push to discredit Bill belichick this week? Who did he piss off?