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When it comes to age on the ballot, Texas didn’t wait until 2024 to weigh in.

Asked to let judges stay on the bench until they’re 79 years old — a year younger than President Joe Biden — Texas voters soundly rejected the proposal in Tuesday’s elections, a defeat that drew new attention to issues of age and fitness for office in the U.S.

“Age is front of mind for American voters in a way that it has not traditionally been and they are nervous about it,” said Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University.

Others cautioned against broader takeaways. At least four other states have rejected similar proposals over the last decade, according to the National Center for State Courts. And states that have passed the measures have mostly done so in close votes.

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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 91 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The media cracks me up.

"None of these really good election results have anything to do with Joe Biden in 2024. Except the results that we can spin into being bad for him, those matter."

[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

I wouldn’t say the media under covered the Democratic wins. I also think there’s still real reason to worry about how Biden fares next year, because he is underperforming compared to the average dem. I’m worried young voters abandon him precisely because of his age. Without the unprecedented surge in youth voting in 2020, Trump wins.

“Age is front of mind for American voters in a way that it has not traditionally been and they are nervous about it,” said Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University.

Um, yeah, because never was normal to have so many 75+ year olds in power. They need to retire. And yes, that includes Donald Trump and Joe Biden. The Silent Generation and Boomers ran this country into the ground and never gave up that power.

[–] Joe-Blow240@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's long past time to get the generation of lead-induced dementia patients out of office. Slow Biden, Glitch McConnell, and all of their geriatric ilk need to go.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glitch McConnell

lol I haven't heard that one before, that's a good one.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm quite a fan of Lich McConnell since he definitely has a philactery

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Sounds like something antibiotics could clear up.

Maybe that's why he hates healthcare so much?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An age limit on elderly judges is critical where they get appointed for life.

At least these other geriatric ilk have to get re-elected periodically. In previous years I would have said to trust the voters to eventually come to the right conclusion, but elections are really crazy these days

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Judicial elections are barely even elections. Independent voting guides never mention them and news media rarely profile or interview them (or if they do it's not prominently compared to other local races). Plus at least in my experience incumbent judges usually run unopposed. I also think they have very strong restrictions on what they can/can't say while campaigning so voters can't even do their own research properly (especially for new judges, who don't have much of a track record). Basically it's near impossible to be an educated voter when it comes to judges, so maybe they're better off being appointed.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Judgeships are also rarely contested, making the elections a useless formality.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

But Trump is young and spry, right?

[–] Joe-Blow240@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not in the slightest. Trump is a prime example of what happened to the brains of kids who ate lead paint chips.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, he's also a speed addict.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The problem with these guys isn't that they are old, it is that their way of dealing with problems is outdated.

  • They thought that $400 was enough to cover people for months of lost Covid wages.

  • They still think oil is "the most perfect energy in the world"

  • They think college is still $1200 for the experience

  • They think $7.50 is more then enough to cover housing, car, essentials.

  • No reality on global warming. Because it isn't going to effect them.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Only one of those things is partially due to age. The rest of it is because they're beholden to corporations. A geriatric progressive / social democrat / actual leftie would have very different views.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you think they're trying to do the right thing but just don't know any better, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think they're both. I don't treat my politicians like Good vs. Evil.

But as smart evil vs. dumb evil.

Some of these guys have failed upwards so long just by doing the same cost cutting measures they always had. It's the only strategy that has worked for them for 75+ years.

Only this time it isn't working.

Rather then change their mindset, they will let America Rot and the rest of the world will outpace us in our hubris. I consider this a dumb evil situation.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Healthwise, Trump appears to be older than Biden

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Yes. Lead used to be everywhere. In the paint on your house walls. In the paint on your children's toys, that they would inevitably put in their mouth. In makeup. In water pipes (still in use in many places, see Flint, MI). In gasoline, leading to lead-tainted air pollution.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago

I've had/have lead poisoning. It's not fun. I had to take some horse sized pills that were virtually impossible to keep down.... it was like there was a little trampoline in my stomach that just made them want to pop straight back up.

My stomach still lurches a little thinking about them.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, lead fucked a lot of people up.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you think Texas would be on board for this as a rule for the Supreme Court, where the two oldest justices are Thomas and Alito?

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Imo age is a shitty metric to go by because it misses outward indications of maturity or debilitation. Just because someone is 70 doesn't mean they have dementia (or dementia could have started when they were 50), and just because someone is 17 doesn't mean they're not knowledgable enough to vote for a gov't.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The problem isn't dementia, the problem is that they won't live to see the consequences of their actions.

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Ideally, there'd be some sort of objective and widely accepted "mental fitness" test.

Unfortunately that ideal doesn't exist. Age is merely the best substitute for that we've got on hand.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The huge plus for using age as a metric is that it’s objective and straightforward. Birth certificates are public record, so ages are generally well known, and there can be a clear cutoff, without leaving room for potentially biased judgement calls, nor room for lengthy appeals.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why do all these articles make it a point to say Biden is 80, but fail to mention Trump is 77?

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Biden is now 80 and former President Donald Trump is 77.

Literally in the article.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago

FTA: "Biden is now 80 and former President Donald Trump is 77."

[–] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 7 points 2 years ago

Because Biden shows it more publicly and doesn't coat himself in more makeup than a mime. But your point is still valid.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would, at the very least, have all judges and politicians retire once they reach the expected lifespan for their demographic. Men born in your birth year have a life expectancy of 68? You retire by 68. A life expectancy of 84? You retire by 84.

[–] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 14 points 2 years ago

We have age limits that state how old you need to be to run for office, I see the logic in setting limits. It's just hard because a 75 year old can seem like they're about to curl over and die or they can be just as sharp as a 55 year old. On one hand, with age they have a ton of knowledge and experience, on the other, their cohort is rapidly dwindling and their ability to relate to the shared experience of younger cohorts is deminished. Ultimately for me, officials that have to run for reelection i think we should let the voters decide if that person is fit, but for judges with lifetime appointments we need to have some sort of cut off.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Elderly judges means that solutions of the past have longer tails, as our laws become less likely to be interpreted to adapt to the realities of today. I suspect keeping more conservative judges on the bench after the judicial blue wave hit Texas was the point of this amendment.

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