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We reject antisemitism in all its forms, including when it masquerades as criticism of Zionism or Israel’s policies. We also recognise that, as journalist Peter Beinart wrote in 2019, “Anti-Zionism is not inherently antisemitic—and claiming it is uses Jewish suffering to erase Palestinian experience.”

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The fact that this even requires saying is a testament to how thoroughly drenched the (so-called) "west" is in regurgitated pro-Israeli propaganda.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israel itself is drenched in a culture of racist anti-Palestinian tropes, and denial of the ethnic cleansing called the Nakba.

The crimes of the Third Reich are invoked disingenuously to construct a counterfactual demonization of the Palestinian people.

Meanwhile, Jews in the West are often antagonized in their communities and families if they challenge the prevailing dogma.

There is a soft but tragic irony, that many liberal Jews feel free to approach their religious heritage critically and skeptically, but any who question political doctrine are greeted as heretics.

[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I haven't read the article, but the title made me go "what the fuck"?

Of course it's not antisemitism. It would only be antisemitism if you said "those people are bad because they are Jews".

Or am I wrong?

[–] axemurber@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

You have to remember that you are on lemmy here that is inherently more left and pro Palestine. There are people that get their news through sources that are using this argument against anti Israel arguments.

This letter is meant for those people.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In Germany the public discourse as lead by political parties and mainstream media , but also cultural organizations is pretty much claiming any criticism of the shape of thr Israeli state, any analysis towards the occupation as a source of violence or current criticism of israeli war crimes as antisemitism.

Because of that jewish protests for palestinian human rights have been banned like arab and leftist protests, jewish protesters have been violently arrested by police, palestinians have been kicked out of book faires, art exhibitions and other events where just before they were supposed to receive prizes. The head of the main government party has loudly cancelled a meeting with Bernie Sanders because he would be too critical of Israel. Sanders is a jew and has lived in Israel in the past.

So in Germany the term antisemitism is instrumentalised to supress any serious criticism of Israel, which includes in particular jewish criticism of Israel.

By the perversion of the term, Germany is acting antisemitic by banning jewish voices from the public, sometimes with police violence and denyingthe existence of plurality in the jewish communities.

Incidently they try to blame arabs and other immigrants for antisemitism in Germany, deflecting from the widespread antisemitism in German mainstream society. Just two month ago the vice-prime-minister of the state of Bavaria was uncovered to be a Holocaust endorsing Neonazi in his youth and instead of it harming his election it helped his election. Also now the Bavarian state attorneys are investigating the people who brought this Neonazi past to light.

[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-actions-combat-antisemitism-college-campuses-rcna122712

The US is cracking down on protests right now based on this pretext

And not just right now. For decades you would lose your job in academia and media for showing too much sympathy for Palestinians.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Always amuses me how there's endless discourse about Islam being antisemitic and therefore movements associated with muslims are jew-hating pogroms, but the reality is almost all antisemitic attacks across the "Western world" are done by white christians.

It's purely projection from the columnists and newsreaders who see antisemitism as a tactic to shut down anti-colonial protests.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do you guys think about Thunberg's statement? In my country it's framed as antisemitic and FFF Germany renounced it but I don't think so

[–] M137@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

I don't understand why FFF would denounce it, they're a climate strike movement, nothing to do with this. I feel like someone at the "top" of FFF managed to get their own agenda into this, it's so strange for someone like them to condemn a call for ceasefire.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

"No, it totally is."

-Israel

[–] nightscout@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am not Jewish, but I am married to an Israeli and have spent a decent amount of time in Israel, having traveled to many areas of the country.

The current situation is not surprising and it really comes down to one thing: LAND & RESOURCES.

All of the rhetoric about apartheid, anti-semitism, genocide, pogroms, etc, etc, etc are merely cover-ups for the real issue: Israel is a TINY piece of land that now supports close to 10 million people. The birthrate in Israel among everyone is among the highest in the world. Even secular Jews rarely have fewer than 3 kids. Muslim Arabs and Orthodox Jews frequently have 8, 9, 10 or more kids.

I have been visiting Israel fairly regularly over the last 20 years and I have seen the visible effects this uncontrolled population growth has had. Land is at a premium, everything is expensive and scarce, and it is FREAKING CROWDED. Towns and villages often support far more people than they were designed to support. Everyone there is worried about water and land and money.

And so you get to the real issue - this is about a fight over land. It’s a fight over which group is going to have a place for their own families and future generations to live there. It’s about fights over resources like water.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I think a lot of the discussion is very rightly focused on the war crimes and human rights abuses, but you're absolutely correct.