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[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 81 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Irregardless, if a word shifts spelling or meaning like this and is generally understood, even if initially by mistake, than it becomes becomes another correct meaning too. Like, literally.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Factoid

A piece of unverified or inaccurate information that is presented in the press as factual, often as part of a publicity effort, and that is then accepted as true because of frequent repetition.

After I heard even Sam Harris misuse this word I just accepted it is now a synonym for a fact despite that the original meaning is the exact opposite.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You could almost say the evolving definition of factoid is in of itself an example of the original definition of a factoid.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

But you wouldn’t get points in the SAT for it

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is such a fucking irony that factoid itself has become a factoid for "bit of trivia"

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[–] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

"then"* it becomes

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly. People shouldn't misunderestimate the power of using a word wrong.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are testing the nerves of every descriptivist here

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Anybody who whines about prescriptivism is just lazy.

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[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The dictionary is a collection of knowledge not an authority on language.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've been saying this since I watched a video on the history of dictionaries in elementary school (I heard that the I before e except after c rule was made by a guy trying to discredit Shakespeare and got interested)

I'm so glad I've been seeing this type of stuff on lemmy. It's refreshing to see people actually understand that these are just recordings of words and how they're spelt and pronounced (with bias and purposeful edits) rather than an actual hard line in the sand.

Edit: holy fucking shit I can't type

[–] tweeks@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A collection of words even, claiming to be a standard.

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The dictionary doesn't claim to be the standard. Also no one has the dictionary you have an abridged version. Because the real one if massive

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The therapist should of known better in the first place

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's you're problem, not mine

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All of the little provocations throughout this thread have been enough to make me twich, but this is the one that pushed me over the edge. I'm this close to printing out your comment just so I can correct it!

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Your in you're write to do this

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Aaarrgghh! I was just calming down, and now the twitching is back! Nurse! Nurse! I need my dried frog pills, someone is doing terrible things to the English language online.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Calm down again! It's oll wright

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Get the ~~pitchforks~~ red pens

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Anyways, about making those friends…

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 26 points 2 years ago
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

i feel like everyone like this eventually ends up realizing that prescriptivism is silly and language changing is not something that can even be slowed down, it's like trying to stop fish from evolving

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I feel like some of it is worth fighting. Like "literally" being almost useless because it means one thing and also it's inverse. You now have to specify which one you mean when using it, which negates the point of using it at all. You might as well describe which concept you mean instead.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

English makes no sense to begin with. Why do you park in the driveway but drive in the parkway? Why is infinite the opposite of finite but flammable and inflammable are synonymous? Why is the plural of louse lice, the plural of mouse mice, but the plural of house is not hice?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Who cares?

Definitions are useful, and their usefulness is in proportion to their stability over time.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd argue that literally isn't changing definitions. It still means literally. It's just that the most common usage of 'literally' is in a figurative or hyperbolic way. In fact, if the word DID change meaning to mean the opposite version, its usage would become much less meaningful since it's usage in a figurative way is done to show extreme figurative to the point that it might as well be considered literal, e.g "literally the worst day of my life"

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

The fact I've felt the need to clarify I mean actually literally before shows that the definition is losing it's purpose. Sure, sometimes it's clear that it's hyperbolic, but frequently there isn't a good way to know what meaning is intended, especially if it's online and/or you don't know their person speaking and their tendencies.

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[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Anyone else wonder how some folks will say language sometimes changes related to people speaking lazily, but then you get words changing meaning/emerging with extra syllables like "irregardless" or "disorientated"?

When posts like this pop up, it makes me wonder 'bout those extra syllable words, "So how's that happen, then?"

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sometimes it's discombobulating, isn't it?

But no, seriousnessly, get a pinch of lazy, add a pinch of troll, throw in some euphemism, mix thoroughly for a while, and shit happens, like birds and bees.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

People want to sound fancy.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Boned and deboned mean the same thing.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

That's just your wife trying to change the subject

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[–] itsralC@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago
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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

I really hope this was made by a therapist

[–] codeboy@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

Anyway, how's your sex life?

[–] 31415926535@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Me: I understand but don't get why...

Therapist: And. You understand AND don't get why...

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

There are no buts in therapy. Only faces and words. Insisting there are any buts in this room gets you committed.

Remember: (points at poster)

No IFs, ANDs, or BUTs.

Only the truth ❤️

Safe Space Version 3.11 — Safe Space for Workgroups

Word filtering is ACTIVE

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