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Peertube's moment might come soon (feddit.de)

submitted 2 years ago by sexy_peach@feddit.de to c/technology@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/5294605

Youtube, for so many years, was just too good. Yes, they changed the 5 star rating system to likes and dislikes and a few years later disabled dislikes altogether, but their algorithm mostly digs up interesting content and it just works for creators and viewers.

This might change soon. Their new strategy to disallow ad-blockers will frustrate a certain kind of viewer. Those who dislike surveillance and like open-source tech, those who use uBlock Origin and know why.

Just like a few years ago mastodon suddenly reached a certain kind of popularity, because twitter had their first big fuckup, maybe Peertube is next. It certainly is the most polished decentralized solution that doesn't use a blockchain. Creators or fans could easily host their own videos, fans can watch it, without ads.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What about bandwidth? Video is huge. Not everyone can handle P2P video.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s the big thing that I think is gonna hold this back for the time being.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not sure the fediverse is really developed to the point of hosting a large scale video platform

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah I totally agree. I think right now it's fairly up to the challenge of stuff like reddit and twitter sorta platforms though it definitely remains to be seen how well it would presently scale up to userbases as large as reddit or twitter.

A video platform anywhere near as popular as YouTube is an entirely different beast.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

I think the torrents will be fine

[–] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

YouTube ads might frustrate some viewers, but have you ever tried using peertube? I think videos just not working at all would frustrate viewers more than some ads.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 2 points 2 years ago

Sure, I use PT "a lot" (compared to the average lemming it seems). Sometimes there's a small wait. I think it's worth it. I've never experienced it not working at all, though I can understand if people think something isn't working if it's not as fast as the #1 video content platform in the world - YouTube.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the issue is the cost of storage. I hope Google and their services burn to the ground already, but I just don't see Peertube instances being able to handle the amount of videos that gets constantly uploaded on Youtube. hell, Mastodon instances were having issue with the first big waves, and that's mostly a text-based platform.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think that peertube can offer the same amount of video storage to newcomers, that yt does. But it should be easy to host peertube with a fraction of the income (from patreon, in video adverts) that big creators have.

But maybe we're wrong and it will work, there's plenty of servers out there that anyone can upload to.

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't have a perfect solution. They either have to find a server that gives them a home or they have to figure something else out. At the moment there are lots of servers and not a lot of uploaders.

Also it is possible to host peertube from home. With yunohost, it's pretty easy. New people will only get a couple of views which is doable with a home connection.

They could still start on yt, like today. But if they have a following, they might not like all the YT restrictions.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This isn't as much a reply to you as it is to everybody:

The fediverse isn't meant to be centralized with big instances bearing the brunt of the load.

It costs less than 5€ a month for a cheap VPS, as you say it's pretty easy to set up (If you can reformat a computer, you have the skills to set up a plethora of federated platform). That includes 200GB storage and 32TB of outbound traffic, and one could even set up a home "CDN" PeerTube to share the load.

I don't want big creators making clickbaity content just to make money. I don't want the fediverse to be commersialized. I want enthusiasts and those willing to make an effort to be more free.

For some that means setting up their own systems. For some that merely means making a Mastodon account (big step for some people, believe it or not).

It takes some effort, it takes some learning. It might even mean that people won't get disgustingly rich. But we can make a new internet.

Let's not being the old ways there.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you I was surprised by the negative reaction here. I thought people on lemmy were interested in alternative solutions to big tech

[–] macattack@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

The lack of ads is beneficial to viewers, but I also think it's worth noting that a disproportionate amount of people creating videos are doing so to hopefully monetize it.

With the fediverse, that seems much more abstract and so I think there might also be a disconnect for some content to make its way over.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Two tings it needs:

Support for third party peering clients: if somebody wants to help out a server with bandwidth, currently the only option is to install peertube
Monetisation: content creators need to get paid somehow. The only instance (I know of) that does so uses crypto and it's https://beetoons.tv/

Maybe if content creators themselves decide to invest in peertube and/or its plugins to implement the parts that they need, then they'll switch and peertube will suddenly become popular, but at the moment I just don't see it.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

How much do you tube contributors actually make though?

Whats the average payout to the top 10%,20%,30%,40%,50%,70%?

My guess is 80%+ of contributors make a pittance, perhaps a few dollars a month if Pareto is consistent across most subjects, which it seems to be.

But youtube still makes a lot from them because it makes it seem like there's gobs of content. I really don't use YouTube, because most of the videos that show up as "you may like this" that are 30 minutes to explain 2 sentences worth of info. There are specific video producers who I go to watch, and pretty much nothing else.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Some alternative youtube frontend are pretty good like freetube